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alvrb211 08-15-2012 03:23 AM


Originally Posted by Climbto450 (Post 1245498)
Most of the guys I know want a CBA they just dont want ALPA. I personally don't care for ALPA but I weight the CBA as more important then my distaste for ALPA. JBPA would be preferred by most of the guys I fly with. The thought of paying 2% of my salary to ALPA makes me want to throw up in my mouth.


With anything in life, if you are in a position where you have NO POWER, there never will be an ideal fix. Will ALPA be the ideal fix?

NO.


History has shown that having NO POWER under a DR will keep you below average all across the board with no access to numerous benefits or protections.

Record profits and you cant get a sniff of industry standard compensation and benefits?

That is precisely why unions are required!



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hyperboy 08-15-2012 07:08 AM

yup
 

Originally Posted by Climbto450 (Post 1245498)
Most of the guys I know want a CBA they just dont want ALPA. I personally don't care for ALPA but I weight the CBA as more important then my distaste for ALPA. JBPA would be preferred by most of the guys I fly with. The thought of paying 2% of my salary to ALPA makes me want to throw up in my mouth.

Nice post. No ALPA for me.

alvrb211 08-15-2012 08:33 PM


Originally Posted by hyperboy (Post 1245937)
Nice post. No ALPA for me.


The DR costs a lot more than 2% and offers far less comp/ benefits/ Protections.


Simple economics!


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Fins Up 08-16-2012 01:43 PM


Originally Posted by hyperboy (Post 1245937)
Nice post. No ALPA for me.


Originally Posted by alvrb211 (Post 1246427)
The DR costs a lot more than 2% and offers far less comp/ benefits/ Protections.


Simple economics!


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Absolutely correct. I don't want to pay home insurance or car insurance, but when the day comes that I need them, I'll be glad they're there.

I've flown with guys who go with the "I gave my money to ALPA and they never did anything for me" line. Really?? So if you had a medical issue, who would you call? If you needed legal advice who would you call? If you bent an airplane, who would you call? Who else in the industry has better services than ALPA? NOBODY! Are you really sure the company will always be in your corner? As Russ Chew said, "Hope is not a plan."

In the near term, the no-voters and fence-sitters need a steady diet of TRUTH. Pull up a transcript or company propaganda and say, "Look, here is what's happening around us." It shouldn't take long for every pilot to figure out that we are NOT making gains to close any gap in compensation/benefits/protections. Anything "new" we get is being funded by something that is being taken away.

1. I've ridden the coat tails of union carriers regarding pay and work rules long enough. It's time for us to contribute.
2. I'm tired of being lied to by the company, or just fed a bunch of bs they expect me to swallow, with no way of holding them accountable.
3. Working in this industry without any meaningful way to defend ourselves in the event of a T/E is just plain dumb.

I could go on, but I'm getting hungry.

All JetBlue pilots should check out BlueTruthPilots. It's not another forum; just a repository for information we should all be familiar with: Home

hyperboy 08-16-2012 07:38 PM

yawn
 

Originally Posted by Fins Up (Post 1246742)
Absolutely correct. I don't want to pay home insurance or car insurance, but when the day comes that I need them, I'll be glad they're there.

I've flown with guys who go with the "I gave my money to ALPA and they never did anything for me" line. Really?? So if you had a medical issue, who would you call? If you needed legal advice who would you call? If you bent an airplane, who would you call? Who else in the industry has better services than ALPA? NOBODY! Are you really sure the company will always be in your corner? As Russ Chew said, "Hope is not a plan."

In the near term, the no-voters and fence-sitters need a steady diet of TRUTH. Pull up a transcript or company propaganda and say, "Look, here is what's happening around us." It shouldn't take long for every pilot to figure out that we are NOT making gains to close any gap in compensation/benefits/protections. Anything "new" we get is being funded by something that is being taken away.

1. I've ridden the coat tails of union carriers regarding pay and work rules long enough. It's time for us to contribute.
2. I'm tired of being lied to by the company, or just fed a bunch of bs they expect me to swallow, with no way of holding them accountable.
3. Working in this industry without any meaningful way to defend ourselves in the event of a T/E is just plain dumb.

I could go on, but I'm getting hungry.

All JetBlue pilots should check out BlueTruthPilots. It's not another forum; just a repository for information we should all be familiar with: Home

The repeating is so very boring......

What did ALPA do for USAIRWAYS/ AMERICA WEST?
What did ALPA do for TWA?
WHY ALPA they represent regionals and majors? COMAIR/DELTA......?

Conflict of interest and many carriers cannot foot the bill on their own airlines work so they need the big boys to help foot the bill. Fair? Debate it?

ALPA is really just a big lobbying group. Right?

Sennaha 08-17-2012 12:42 AM

What were the non-union successes?
Doesn't really matter, if JB makes it another year without a merger, you will most likely be an ALPA pilot. You can blame your leadership for their own failure.

Herkulesdrvr 08-17-2012 03:31 AM


Originally Posted by Sennaha (Post 1247039)
What were the non-union successes?

None noted.

hyperboy 08-17-2012 05:42 AM


Originally Posted by Herkulesdrvr (Post 1247062)
None noted.

So then why would I want to pay for the ALPA....................?

benzoate 08-17-2012 07:47 AM


Originally Posted by hyperboy (Post 1247130)
So then why would I want to pay for the ALPA....................?


Do you really need to ask?

benzoate 08-17-2012 07:58 AM


Originally Posted by hyperboy (Post 1246946)
The repeating is so very boring......

What did ALPA do for USAIRWAYS/ AMERICA WEST?
What did ALPA do for TWA?
WHY ALPA they represent regionals and majors? COMAIR/DELTA......?

Conflict of interest and many carriers cannot foot the bill on their own airlines work so they need the big boys to help foot the bill. Fair? Debate it?

ALPA is really just a big lobbying group. Right?

ALPA told the USair MEC specifically DO NOT reach for DOH. The mediator, later the arbitrator, told the USair MEC your WILL NOT get date of hire. The rest is history.

A regional carrier is a small lift provider. Your salary is derived of a third party contractor. You will NEVER receive mainline pay and benefits at a regional. You did, however, receive insurance, benefits, protections retirement.
As a former regional pilot I cringe each time I hear some pilot who was hired with 250TT complain ALPA screwed me.

It a ridiculous argument.

Each ALPA major is currently profitable. Each ALPA major MEC has negotiated their own contracts. They all have better benefits, retirement, scope, merger protection, LOL\STD\LTD, rigs, and lastly legal support than Jetblue.

In the last conference call Maruster stated Jetblue is planning of going after the 1000 pilots who filed the 3A claim against Jetblue if Jetblue wins.

You have a dispute resolution process in place. One Jetblue forced on you yet should you follow the procedure and you lose your arbitration claim Jetblue will come after you for the money.

And people complain about ALPA?


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