JetBlue 52M 2nd Quarter Profit
 

JetBlue Airways quarterly profit doubles | Reuters

Cuts in our health insurance next year with record profits. :rolleyes:

:rolleyes:That's what u get with no union

Were trying to change that.

Yes, we are.

Unbelievable. You're pretty much saying that you're trying to make your company unprofitable by getting a union. Fantastic.

Most people are happy when their company posts a profit, as it means everyone is doing well. Look at American. No one is happy when the company is bankrupt, and at risk of losing their jobs.

Keep up the good work boys, you may just get an unprofitable company if you keep trying hard enough.

Isnt it a little early to be drinking?

So what you're saying is '1+1 equals 13'? Brilliant!

By your logic- hourly rates, work rules, and benefits are irrelevant because the health of the business and the millions made by management are more important than "Bill 190 FO" whose 4 year old daughter has leukemia and Bill's crappy jetBlue insurance has a max benefit per person of 15k.

Who do you work for?

Perhaps the biggest tool post EVER on this forum. It's partly because of people like you and your mentality that this profession is in the schit hole that it's in. Brilliant.

You sir, are a moron. Easily the dumbest statement I've read on this board yet. Unbelievable.

Yeah, that's not what he said chief. But your screen name explains it all.

You cant be serious, are you are? 15k lifetime max?

And here is Dave avoiding the NDA question about American. Don't worry anti-union guys. Dave will take care of us.


Jamie N. Baker - JP Morgan Chase & Co, Research Division

David, I'm curious if JetBlue has received it's NDA from American and if so, if you could comment on any terms or conditions that the NDA might place on you?

David Barger

Jamie, we're really not going to operate any color in terms of that topic that American has talked about, right? So as we take a look at -- again, we've been very forthright about our standalone plan, organic growth, our own people, our own airplanes, right? So I mean that's been the case since we started. Continues to be the case today, right? So we'll see what happens as the months play out.

It certainly begins to paint a picture doesn't it?

I say yes it does.

I am very pleased with the latest posted profits. I take pride in my work and my company and want us to continue to be profitable. I also expect to share in that profitability. There are many profitable companies that remain profitable while sharing the wealth with their employees.

Since there are profitable unionized companies (including airlines) your logic is flawed.

no not lifetime.

I've got no problem with sharing in the profits. That guys post just ticked me off. It reeked of the "my company posted a profit, so I want mine" mentality. If we take enough from the company that it breaks even every quarter, it will go out of business. We should want our companies to be profitable so we get to keep our jobs.

...and why shouldn't he?

Because the company has to know it's labor costs to be viable long-term, and if every time the company has a positive quarter people start foaming at the mouth, the company will not be successful.

I was hoping to some day work at JetBlue, precisely because it is non-union. If I ever get there, I will be a solid no vote, and it is precisely because of people like that guy.

a no vote just like that huh? You are standing yer' ground and no matter how you are treated or what your health costs are yer' going to show the union folk right? Alrighty then let us know how that works out.

Hey guys, quit bashing this guy. He's just scoffing at the 99%, just like most of you guys (even though we're all in the 99%)

Basement troll. ....look it up.

He might have difficulty- so I'll add this

http://www.onlymotivational.com/pict...nt_Dweller.jpg

So what if the company eeks out 9Q in a row of profit? When is it ok to get ours? When is it ok to get alittle upset when your told your gonna get it and then they don't give? When is it ok to be iritated because your told you are going to get average, not more, not industry leading, just average and don't even get that.

You'll get hired here soon enough. Bright, energetic, willing to take it for the team at any cost, unwilling to learn from history. The first three things there are good things by the way. You can change the unwilling to learn thing. Pilot unions are not labor unions at the car plant or the coal mine. No one here is trying to break the bank or strangle the golden goose. Most of us here have 15-30 years to go and would like to not leave. We do however deserve better. Wake up man, stop drinkin the coolaid, your not even here yet. If you were as smart as you think you are you'll go to another airline and progress faster and make more money.

Amazing to read the "Troll" or "Tool" comments on here for a guy that is joyous over profitablity. The "actual "tools" or "extremists" on here that have no life and continually attempt to strong arm or intimidate others for their non union belifs are amazing. Fortunately you are in the minority and until I see the vote passed I will enjoy the companys success which btw is still thriving with NO union. The few here are the same dreamers in every other airline that I personally was affiliated with, never happy no matter what the company does or say. Speaking of other airlines, so much for my job protection or rights there, not once not twice but three times eliminated from union airlines.
Amazing when I read from the trolls on here of sub par pay and benefits. REALLY!!!?? You're complaining is nauseating and childish, our pay is pretty good even compared and higher than some "legacy" carriers. Add to that premium and holiday pay. We contiually invest in improving our domiciles and terminals. We are getting new airplanes, our 401k was improved. Ok, our insurance sucks according to some. Last time I checked the entire countrys insurance program is in dissarray. Nonetheless do u feel a union will make it any better, thats laughable as last time I checked I work for JETBlue and NOT ALPA or any other union. Fact of the matter is the "dreamers" on here have no clue to the history of the ALPA and their failures, and when pointed out they close their eyes and ramble on with excuses like a dirty politician hiding something. History has proven to me that sooner or later, the "CBA" is garbage and means NOTHING in the final end, so there is no winner. I would rather work in a friendly enviroment that even in a "bad" economy is making profits, getting airplanes adding new destinations for pennies less than to work with a disgruntled "professional" that continoiusly says"its not in my contract". It is what it is here, Im happy to be here not because its jetblue but rather because finally i can come to work where there are positive signs everywhere, whether you wish to believe it or not is your choice. Want a union, I have yet to hear a viable reason, in the meantime there are many out there that are affialiated with disgruntlted employees and failing business plans. The few tools or "extremists" are sure to call the names now and possibly dissect this post, have at it I could care less. In the end it doesnt matter as you are only a few that have no impact on my life. I look at the reality of what is happening and has happened, I look at the glass half full, and enjoy my job and guys and gals I fly with. The comment of "when is it ok to get ours" is a joke and only proves my point, what EXACTLY is yours to get???? You're a pilot that flies good equipment for a profitable airline. Get over it! Want to get more, start your own airline or business. Just another example of the union attitude i have witnessed over the last 17 years of flying. Job protection and better work rules, tell that to the TWA, Eastern, United, USAir pilots, and now on the regional side Comair, the lists goes on...Im done. Hate all you want. In conclusion, dont hate attack those that actually enjoy their job and their company. SOmething is working here, it aint broke, maybe a little tuneup is needed but it sure as hell aint broke.

:(p1ayn, you missed who we're calling troll. It's the guy saying he's a no vote when he doesn't even work here. We're all happy our employer is making money, I guess you think massive devaluation of our insurance is acceptable in the face of record profits is ok. If you haven't fears a good reason for a CBA yet then I suggest you just aren't listening.

Maybe I misunderstood of the last post or who it was directed at. I apologize for that, as well as my frustration. However my viewpoint is remains the same on the union issue is all. I am not happy with the devaluation of our insurance however i firmly believe having a union would not remedy that and if it does it will be at the expense of another benefit. The whole country has an isurance issue that is just reality. My issue is directed at the extremist attitude toward other fellow JB pilots who happen to feel the same as I do. To each thir own and I respect the pro unioners on their opinion as i have always stated in past. I do not however believe in the constant attacks with childish statements, "head in the sand" "tools", "Illinformed" to name a few only because someone does not believe in having a cba. That is my only issue. My belief is that although we do have a few things to iron out, as a whole JB is a great place to be at, has more benefits than negatives and we do "I" and I repeat, "I" feel the issues do not justify having a union. That is it. It amazes me how the issue itself is causing division amongst us when we are a successful airline.
Cheers..:)

I started at JetBlue with the exact same mentality. I am largely corporate background so I never saw the need for a union. One year later I am a firm believer that we need a union. I don't care about the "stick it to management" blind mentality that I see on these threads. What I do care about is JetBlue sticking to their commitments on topics like fixing our retirement, health insurance and our supposed pier set pay which they now have decided that they aren't going to use anymore, They refer to it as unsustainable in light of Delta's new TA. I love this company but without a CBA we will never be able to hOld the company responsible for the compensation package that we signed on for.

Here's the advantage of getting your insurance taken care of in a CBA: the company can't just arbitrarily change things year after year. As it stands now, people are running around talking about insurance premiums doubling next year, and it's entirely possible. With a CBA with insurance language, there are things they can and can't do. For example, where I am now, we're pretty much locked in what we have until we re-negotiate (or the court kills it in bankruptcy court). It actually worked to our advantage being under a CBA in negotiations for 7 years. We were still paying late 90s insurance rates because of the CBA until a new one was negotiated. Sad part is, I fly CRJ-200s, and our insurance is better than what jetBlue has.

Yes, insurance is bad across the country, but that's not an excuse to accept below par insurance compared to other carriers. If a REGIONAL can do it, then I'm sure the jetBlue pilots can come to an agreement that both protects them as well as profits for the company as a whole.

I think you should refill your kool aid keg. If a company is successful its because everybody is doing their job. Everyone should share in the wealth because that's what is morally correct. Are you saying that management has the final say on the "pot"? Fine, let them fly the airplanes.

To defend southerner we must remember that he doesn't work here. It is much easier to judge a situation when it doesn't effect you. That being said I also respect pilots who have differing opinions than my own. If the company would deliver what they promised I would see no need for a union. I personally throw up in my mouth when I think about letting ALPA in but at this point I don't see any other way to get a solid CBA.

I too have the same problem with ALPA and vomitus maximus.

ALPA used to induce vomit, but then I realized that it was largely due to the carrier I worked for under ALPA. FedEx, DAL, UAL/CAL, Alaska, Hawaiian are all great places to be, but ALPA didnt make them great, it just ensures they will stay great through the course of a contract.

I dont expect ALPA to fix all the issues with JB. I just want a CBA to have some predictability for basics like annual COLA raises to keep up with inflation, and a legal way to enforce bidding/seniority/work rules. Stable insurance benefits and industry average retirement as well.

Exactly. All I want is what the company told us to expect. Industry average pay & benefits. The company is behind in retirement (even after they said that they "fixed" it) and is far behind in health benefits. However, the company now wants to kick Delta out of the calculation because of their new contract. Watch them kick out United and USAir whenever they get new contracts and their pay goes up. Then they'll want to get Allegiant, Spirit and VA in the peer set.

Nobody wants to kill this company. So many of us are married to it and want to make it a good place to work, especially for the pilots.

GP

Did they say that about delta in the rm conference call?

Hey, how about that? When a company keeps it's promises to it's employees, especially when they are profitable, unions generally will not flourish. I have said it many times before and I will say it again, a lack of moral character among upper management, BODs and others has brought this and many other of our once highly regarded companies closer to the threshold of oblivion.

I dont mind them adding Virgin as long as they keep Delta in the peer set. However, the pay is way down my list of complaints with upper management. Health care & retirement are far more important. Without a CBA neither of those issues will improve.

Honestly, I think it should be looked at as a total package. Get rid of healthcare altogether if they want, but up the pay to the point where I can buy it on my own. That's how I looked at it when my current gig was going through negotiations. Sure, raise my premiums and co-pay, but my hourly better be going up enough where my monthly take home isn't going backwards. I look at pay and benefits as a total package rather than separate entities. Give up something on one, increase in the other column, otherwise it's an overall loss.

Absolutely, everyone should share. From what I've read on here, JB has some room to grow in terms of retirement and health benefits. My point was merely that there's a difference in sharing and being a spoiled little baby that sees a profit, and immediately starts crying about how they are underpaid.

What spurred my post was that "FUPM" attitude. I hate it. It is everywhere around my current company, and it is childish and ignorant.

Again, the main reason I want to go to JetBlue is that you guys are non-union. If you vote in a union before I have an opportunity to try to get there, I'll look elsewhere. That doesn't mean that I wouldn't expect pay improvements, etc., I just do not like unions. Never have, and never will. This opinion on unions started from my pre-airline days.