Too tired to pay attention, huh?

That's the response you give when you have no solid rebuttal.

Can someone please clarify the 15k max annual benefit and where that info can be found? I was under the impression, under the new obamacare rules, that max benefit caps are no longer legal (annual or lifetime).

exactly!!!

If you are referring to the disability maximum you do not have access to it. This information was part of what was discovered by a Jetblue pilot who obtained the information, legally, on his own. Rob Maruster has threatened to terminate said pilot.

The CATCAB committee has decided to reduce the 15K benefit to 10K in order to reduce cost and pay for more junior pilots rather than Jetblue paying any extra. The CATCAB committee is always hand selected by management.

Your DR hard at work.

E190 pay means nothing to the majority of Jetblue Pilots.

They don't fly it!


JJ

Oh, you mean Airtran, the Airline that managed to negotiate $165/hr rates on the B717?

That's more than E190/A320 guys are paid. That's before you even talk about all the other relatively superior benefits AT negotiated.

By the way, if you think you are better off than ANY of the AT guys, you are a fool!


JJ

Below average all across the board is "good enough" is it?

Let me ask you one question; Why do you think compensation is below average?

Committed to making improvements until when? They are making record profits. What are we waiting for?

BTW, Jetblue Pilots are compensated below the average of the carriers with CBAs. You asked how CBAs work. There it is!


JJ

Most of the guys I know want a CBA they just dont want ALPA. I personally don't care for ALPA but I weight the CBA as more important then my distaste for ALPA. JBPA would be preferred by most of the guys I fly with. The thought of paying 2% of my salary to ALPA makes me want to throw up in my mouth.

.................

With anything in life, if you are in a position where you have NO POWER, there never will be an ideal fix. Will ALPA be the ideal fix?

NO.


History has shown that having NO POWER under a DR will keep you below average all across the board with no access to numerous benefits or protections.

Record profits and you cant get a sniff of industry standard compensation and benefits?

That is precisely why unions are required!



T

yup
 

Nice post. No ALPA for me.

The DR costs a lot more than 2% and offers far less comp/ benefits/ Protections.


Simple economics!


T

Absolutely correct. I don't want to pay home insurance or car insurance, but when the day comes that I need them, I'll be glad they're there.

I've flown with guys who go with the "I gave my money to ALPA and they never did anything for me" line. Really?? So if you had a medical issue, who would you call? If you needed legal advice who would you call? If you bent an airplane, who would you call? Who else in the industry has better services than ALPA? NOBODY! Are you really sure the company will always be in your corner? As Russ Chew said, "Hope is not a plan."

In the near term, the no-voters and fence-sitters need a steady diet of TRUTH. Pull up a transcript or company propaganda and say, "Look, here is what's happening around us." It shouldn't take long for every pilot to figure out that we are NOT making gains to close any gap in compensation/benefits/protections. Anything "new" we get is being funded by something that is being taken away.

1. I've ridden the coat tails of union carriers regarding pay and work rules long enough. It's time for us to contribute.
2. I'm tired of being lied to by the company, or just fed a bunch of bs they expect me to swallow, with no way of holding them accountable.
3. Working in this industry without any meaningful way to defend ourselves in the event of a T/E is just plain dumb.

I could go on, but I'm getting hungry.

All JetBlue pilots should check out BlueTruthPilots. It's not another forum; just a repository for information we should all be familiar with: Home

yawn
 

The repeating is so very boring......

What did ALPA do for USAIRWAYS/ AMERICA WEST?
What did ALPA do for TWA?
WHY ALPA they represent regionals and majors? COMAIR/DELTA......?

Conflict of interest and many carriers cannot foot the bill on their own airlines work so they need the big boys to help foot the bill. Fair? Debate it?

ALPA is really just a big lobbying group. Right?

What were the non-union successes?
Doesn't really matter, if JB makes it another year without a merger, you will most likely be an ALPA pilot. You can blame your leadership for their own failure.

None noted.

So then why would I want to pay for the ALPA....................?

Do you really need to ask?

ALPA told the USair MEC specifically DO NOT reach for DOH. The mediator, later the arbitrator, told the USair MEC your WILL NOT get date of hire. The rest is history.

A regional carrier is a small lift provider. Your salary is derived of a third party contractor. You will NEVER receive mainline pay and benefits at a regional. You did, however, receive insurance, benefits, protections retirement.
As a former regional pilot I cringe each time I hear some pilot who was hired with 250TT complain ALPA screwed me.

It a ridiculous argument.

Each ALPA major is currently profitable. Each ALPA major MEC has negotiated their own contracts. They all have better benefits, retirement, scope, merger protection, LOL\STD\LTD, rigs, and lastly legal support than Jetblue.

In the last conference call Maruster stated Jetblue is planning of going after the 1000 pilots who filed the 3A claim against Jetblue if Jetblue wins.

You have a dispute resolution process in place. One Jetblue forced on you yet should you follow the procedure and you lose your arbitration claim Jetblue will come after you for the money.

And people complain about ALPA?

USAIRWAYS have a CBA. They have many benefits and protections Jetblue Pilots don't have.


You don't see USAIR guys seeking a Jetblue type Direct Relationship in place of their UNION do you?


JJ

+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1

Those Delta guys that dont like DALPA... They're shooting for the Direct Relationship now though aren't they? I mean, we probably havn't seen this alot in the industry but good on them.

In house union is not a DR. Delta is shooting to ditch ALPA in favor of an in house union.

I'm pretty sure if a major union was in place the company wouldn't think of using this kind of rhetoric. They broke the contract and are really thinking of taking it out on those pilots? Appalling.

no he didnt
 

[QUOTE=benzoate;1247226]
In the last conference call Maruster stated Jetblue is planning of going after the 1000 pilots who filed the 3A claim against Jetblue if Jetblue wins.

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This is a misquote and go read the transcripts this was never said! I listened and read the call. Quit telling lies please.

If Jetblue had 12000 pilots they wouldn't need ALPA either. With a pilot group that size, that much money, they can go at it alone. An in house at JetBlue is a glamorized PVC. No money, resources.

[QUOTE=hyperboy;1247731]There is no misquote and I can't help your reading comprehension skills.

Jetblue fully intends to go after the pilot group.

"you can expect the Company to do what it needs to do to not only defend itself in this matter but also to get that money back if indeed discovery and other things point to a more favorable outcome for the company."
RM's next comment deflects the original question from the caller.

[QUOTE=benzoate;1247742]looks pretty clear cut to me Benz, thanks for getting it out there. Although what could they really do to all those guys? Strength in numbers, oops, sorry no union so I shouldn't be saying that. Maybe strength in individualism? No that doesn't sound right either.

I think Benzoate pretty much covered it.
- USAIR dug their own hole, not ALPA. That is indisputable.
- TWA - bad deal. No arguement there.
- Yes, regionals should have their own union representation to avoid conflict of interest. Go ahead and get that started.
- USAir/USAPA, Delta/DPA, etc. - NONE OF THEM ARE LOOKING TO DITCH THE CBA. Would you want to be without one?

[QUOTE=hyperboy;1247731]You are wrong. Here is the facts from page 10. From the transcript:

From Rob Maruster speaking:

You don't have to talk to me about it. But I felt it was at least fair today to let you know that we are at the point of spending a lot of money and you can expect the Company to do what it needs to do to not only defend itself in this matter but also to get that money back if indeed discovery and other things point to a more favorable outcome for the company.


This is defintely a threat made to the pilots that if we (the pilots) lose 3A, then JetBlue is going to then come after us for their cost. JetBlue is directly threatening the pilots in 3A and this can apply to EVERY single dispute resolution process that any pilot has. If you lose, they will come back to you for the cost of mediation, arbitration, research, legal fees, etc. Thus adding an additional reason to make people think twice about filing a grevience with JetBlue thru the DR/DRM.

Get the facts. There seems to be no doubt about what he is saying and threatening.

Just my opinion......

FNG

If it hasn't already been done, LLBL and the arbitrator need to be advised of this little tidbit.