Do you understand why the 190 pay is the highest in the country? Do you understand who set the 190 pay at regional levels? Do you understand that the other companies haven't completed a contract cycle yet in order to catch up to this one, single, metric?

Know your history!

Re read the post. At the bottom of most categories, not all.
Again, at the bottom of almost all categories. Not all.
Pay is the only category for which we are almost standard.

That's reality

WRONG!!!!!

Even Delta's new TA 190 Payrates are still BELOW ours!

Know YOUR history!


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DAL had to recapture that flying from the regionals. That without a doubt puts downward pressure on the pay rates. I certainly give credit to jetBlue for flying the 190 on property and not farming it out to a regional, but they don't get a free pass for starting that airplane on $84 per hour for a Captain.

Is the 190 rate the only real positive that you can point to in our overall compensation? Shall we start talking about the upcoming medical changes, the verbage of our LTD program, the failed attempt to honestly fix our retirement, the "exhaust your own resources to get to the $2M merger fund"...

Don't succumb to tunnel vision on a single solitary pay rate. We are so far away from an overall "average" package that it is just sad. The real sad part is you can't even admit it!

DAL doesnt have any E190s, but they do have a bunch of A320s. Their pay is drastically higher than our A320 pay.

Dont fret though, DAL/UAL will be removed from our peer set soon enough, so we wont have to worry about pesky pay raises to keep pace with their Airbus rates.

Maybe the new "Robust pay model" will be the envy of all equipment payrates.

Oh yea, we will be in a class of our own for sure. A class nobody else wants to join. :rolleyes:

You are bragging about 190 pilots being the highest paid? How many 190's do we have? What percentage of the fleet total do they represent?

This is what you are suggesting makes us a destination carrier or somehow not a perennial bottom dweller? 190 Pay?

Meanwhile we have the worst insurance, disability, merger protection in the industry. One of the worst retirements which is based on profit sharing and Board of Director approval and, again, no merger protection.

But no, you brag about 190 pay. Are you serious?

You represent the problem with our pilot group. You fail to see the forest through the trees. You refuse believe the truth and grasp at straws hoping JetBlue is the company you want it to be.

It's not! Period. You have a fixed flight ops budget. If you want more pay you lose it in benefits. That's how it works at JetBlue.

If you would take the time to get involved, speak to your PVC rep or the committees you would learn what is going on.
The very fact you are touting an aircraft JetBlue has capped and is actively selling and differing as the only category in which we aren't the worst is staggering and indicates your myopic view.

Roughly 1/3 of JetBlue's fleet is Embraer 190's (specifically 52 190's and 123 320's)

Wah, wah, wah. Want any cheese with that whine? What airline has protection? NONE. Ask any lawyer about the size of the contract relative to the amount of loopholes. The more words, the more loopholes. The only ironclad contract in the entire business is the CEO's. Every other contract is smoke in mirrors, designed by lawyers, to have an escape route from any obligation. Haven't you seen all the rest of the airlines walk all over the pilot groups over the past 10 years???


Not bragging, rather correcting your ignorance. You stated we were the lowest paid, and your wrong.

Actually, YOU represent the problem with our pilot group. Your outlandish descriptions of a low paying, hostile, scandolous airline are far, far, far from the truth. It's guys like you who think there is a conspiracy theory behind every action of the company. Ever think that they just might want to grow the business and make $hit tons of money? Well, that's the plan - opposite of your plan to pay everyone top dollar which would rename this thread "JetBlue 52 Million 2nd Quarter LOSS"

I am involved!

Stay Informed and Fly Safe

Want cheese with that wine? Really?
Facts are facts.

Worst benefits. Period
No merger protection. Period
Facts, just facts.

Your head in the sand does not constitue involved, just ignorant and naive.