Agreed...be careful what you wish for. You just might get it!:eek:

What might those be? You don't have a bargaining agent or a means to negotiate!

I believe in straight talk when it comes to business. Let's put the whole union/ non-union debate aside. Jetblue Pilots are compensated below average all across the board. Why do you think that is?

Are you naive enough to think your job is safer than that of your peers at DAL/SWA/AK/UPS/FEX because you are non-union and compensated below average?


Let me tell you something; It is NOT! Don't take my word for it. Go ask any labor economist.


JJ

Your compensation level isn't a significant factor in the viability of your Airline.

The Airlines have been affected by significant external variables in recent years. This has caused huge losses to the Legacies. Jetblue hasn't been subject to quite the same variables but, nevertheless, has posted significant losses in the past. This was NOT due to labor costs!


T

Already got it:S

Air Canada just went to arbitration with their pilots union, and won. How's about this for a contract:

In addition to lowered salaries (4th year FO on ANY aircraft makes just $67K/yr...which is not enough to live on in Canada when over half of that is taxed and the cost of living is very high), but scope is completely wiped out.

The new contract provides Air Canada with the ability to get rid of 60 A320s and 60 Embraer 190s. The purpose of this is so they can send the aircraft to their new OFFSHORE BASED (yes thats right) Low Cost Carrier. You fellas think the scope erosion on the Delta TA was bad?...

:(

Well in the case of AC, who I was referring to, the pension plans were costing AC hundreds of millions each year. It just wasn't sustainable, and the pilots weren't willing to give it up even though it was running them into the ground.

Ouch that hurts. Where is the offshore company located and are there restrictions about cabotage in Canada? That could be foreshadowing for the US future.

It remains to be seen. Essentially, the way I understand it is that it will be based offshore, however, I do believe they plan to hire mostly Canadian pilots...however at greatly reduced pay rates. We'll see how it turns out.

This is the beginning of the "regional jet" industry in Canada, which has never existed.

I still believe in the motivational letters we receive. I believe those motivational letters will protect me when Jetblue is bought. Motivational letters are truly better than having a CBA in place.

Dude. You SERIOUSLY need to study what has transpired with the B6 pilot group for the last 6 years. If you lived each step of PCG1, PCG2, the Draft FSM, and the forced Sandy FSM... there is no way you can make the statements you do (at least with a straight face). The best thing you can do for yourself is track down a Sorbie, an Evans, or a Tarvin and find out how things went down in the past.

If you don't understand the past, you are allowing yourself to be puppet.

Sadly, I know many people who actually believe the motivational letters and how the company will look after them. Just look at the facts of the compensation, no scope and pea's that aren't worth the paper they are written on. Do people realize that if a merger happened they could just let the pea's expire and the company has no obligation to extend them for another 5 years?