Success is not just a function of profits. SWA is one of the the most unionized company and they are profitable, AND take care of their employees with good pay, benefits, work rules, etc. Most companies get the union they deserves.

It is your attitude and lack of understanding of the industry and unions are sad. JetBlue's failures to live up to many broken promises are why we have below average retirement, medical, LOL/STD/LTD/OJI, work rules and no say in ANYTHING! We are totally unprotected in a merger/buyout and will get screwed if it does happen. JetBlue has been building this company on the backs of the employees for 10+ years. Our problems is that we have too many like your self that don't understand the facts and are not interested in JetBlue, but in themselves (its all about me crowd).

I am sorry that you can't understand any of this. I can only hope we get to vote again before you arrive! But if not, then you can join us on the bottom of what ever list we get stapled to. (you will be the bottom of the bottom of the bottom)

Just my opinion......

FNG

ps. I have not found a single union pilot at any major airline that would give up his union and union based benefits. They may b1tch about the union and want changes and improvements, but NONE would give them up and vote to be non-union at their current job. That alone speaks volumes!!!

Dude, Airlines do know their labor costs because they are locked in for years under a CBA. Causal forecasting is conducted on the basis of GDP, Oil prices, and capacity in the system. That's it.

You seem to be under the impression that the highest paying Airlines are the ones that will fail. WRONG!

To those of us who understand business, it's no surprize that Airlines like Skybus filed chapter 7. It certainly wasn't due to labor costs.

Jetblue has posted significant losses in the past. Again, that wasn't due to labor costs!


You would forego industry standard compensation, benefits, resources, and protections because of the attitudes of certain people, as you see them?


You need to go back to college (assuming you ever did graduate) and study Business management, Psychology, and Labor economics.



JJ

Southerner thinks that pilot union is the same as auto/steal worker union. Dude, we're not coal miners or trash collectors...

I know people have trained you to feel like your not smart or to be proud of yourself and your accomplishments. Jump out of the box and realize your worth. For all our sakes, know that your better than $32/hr...

Don't give up the nights, weekends, holidays, birthdays, births, first steps and all the other stuff that you miss doing this for food stamp wages and a shiny jet.

This is the problem with many guys. In terms of business characteristics, automobile manufacturing is so far removed from our industry it's not even funny.

And, there's a going rate of compensation at the Majors. It's headed back toward approx $200/hr for Captains and $150/hr for FOs on medium narrow body a/c. And, that includes retirement and medical benefits.

If your Airline isn't compensating at that level, questions must be asked because that is the going rate. If your Airline is paying less, don't be naive believing it makes your job more secure than the other guys.


JJ

Talk to anyone at JetBlue who is currently on disability or has recently been on it and compare their stories to those from a major airline with a CBA.

The difference is staggering.

JetBlue purports to be a career destination, to tout values and to
pretend it's employees matter when in reality they provide the worst insurance of any major carrier. A retirement among the worst. A disability which is the worst.

Look, if you want to work here that's fine. More power to you. But what you must realize is JetBlue is not the company is appears to be. Every benefit, and I mean every one, has been cost neutral. The flight ops budget has not changed.
While we may receive a raise the change in health insurance and the upcoming losses in disability allowed for the afore mentioned changes.
A cost neutral benefit.

Read it, learn it, believe it. THIS MAN SPEAKS THE TRUTH!

You are 100% spot on, it seems great from the outside. This is also why we need a CBA.

Bingo.....the man or woman speaks the truth. All is not as it appears in the Bluethisphere.

As if those things really are that dramatic when we explain to others that your feeling are basically hurt. You unhappy dudes need serious therapy. We've all suffered through major failures in our careers. JetBlue is far from the crappy place you guys continually paint it to be. You wanna cherry-pick cafeteria style the "above average" in the industry and are aghast that company would push back for the obvious reasons. What you deserve is a letter of rec to pursue a carrier is in line with your demands. Your singular focus will shank us all. I'm not saying I don't want it! I'm saying you guys don't have a true leg to stand on until hiring is a problem industry wide. JetBlue does good enough in it's benefits and improvements, and is committed to improvements until then (with obvious and crappy setbacks, yes it happens). And for these reasons ALPA supporters will remain the minority. Deal with it. The next ALPA drive will fail. And that's if ALPA BOD allows another black eye to their organization. Quit crying on PCG, FSM & PCRB and look at the bigger picture. And don't forget to tell everyone that the company has essentially handcuffed themselves from unilateral changes - which of course will falter at times I know you will POINT THAT OUT. But how has a CBA worked everywhere else on that point? DEAL with the reality of JetBlue being what it is and just TRY to be content. God knows some guys can't be happy otherwise.

another of the "deal with it" crowd I see. Your not worth a darn? Deal with it. We only made 52 million and can't pay a respectable medical plan? Deal with it. Why do you feel that you're worth so little and continually take it in the shorts? By the way, how will you "deal with it" when AA or someone steps in and tells you to hit the road cause you didn't "deal with it" (it = cba) when you had a chance to?