Originally Posted by Rake222 (Post 1242719)

As if those things really are that dramatic when we explain to others that your feeling are basically hurt. You unhappy dudes need serious therapy. We've all suffered through major failures in our careers. JetBlue is far from the crappy place you guys continually paint it to be. You wanna cherry-pick cafeteria style the "above average" in the industry and are aghast that company would push back for the obvious reasons. What you deserve is a letter of rec to pursue a carrier is in line with your demands. Your singular focus will shank us all. I'm not saying I don't want it! I'm saying you guys don't have a true leg to stand on until hiring is a problem industry wide. JetBlue does good enough in it's benefits and improvements, and is committed to improvements until then (with obvious and crappy setbacks, yes it happens). And for these reasons ALPA supporters will remain the minority. Deal with it. The next ALPA drive will fail. And that's if ALPA BOD allows another black eye to their organization. Quit crying on PCG, FSM & PCRB and look at the bigger picture. And don't forget to tell everyone that the company has essentially handcuffed themselves from unilateral changes - which of course will falter at times I know you will POINT THAT OUT. But how has a CBA worked everywhere else on that point? DEAL with the reality of JetBlue being what it is and just TRY to be content. God knows some guys can't be happy otherwise.

Originally Posted by Rake222 (Post 1242719)

As if those things really are that dramatic when we explain to others that your feeling are basically hurt. You unhappy dudes need serious therapy. We've all suffered through major failures in our careers. JetBlue is far from the crappy place you guys continually paint it to be. You wanna cherry-pick cafeteria style the "above average" in the industry and are aghast that company would push back for the obvious reasons. What you deserve is a letter of rec to pursue a carrier is in line with your demands. Your singular focus will shank us all. I'm not saying I don't want it! I'm saying you guys don't have a true leg to stand on until hiring is a problem industry wide. JetBlue does good enough in it's benefits and improvements, and is committed to improvements until then (with obvious and crappy setbacks, yes it happens). And for these reasons ALPA supporters will remain the minority. Deal with it. The next ALPA drive will fail. And that's if ALPA BOD allows another black eye to their organization. Quit crying on PCG, FSM & PCRB and look at the bigger picture. And don't forget to tell everyone that the company has essentially handcuffed themselves from unilateral changes - which of course will falter at times I know you will POINT THAT OUT. But how has a CBA worked everywhere else on that point? DEAL with the reality of JetBlue being what it is and just TRY to be content. God knows some guys can't be happy otherwise.

Originally Posted by txbusdriver (Post 1243083)

Hmmmm. Let me guess. You've got a nice retirement and tricare. That's what I thought.

Originally Posted by benzoate (Post 1243133)

1. If you don't like it leave

Originally Posted by Rake222 (Post 1242719)

As if those things really are that dramatic when we explain to others that your feeling are basically hurt. You unhappy dudes need serious therapy. We've all suffered through major failures in our careers. JetBlue is far from the crappy place you guys continually paint it to be. You wanna cherry-pick cafeteria style the "above average" in the industry and are aghast that company would push back for the obvious reasons. What you deserve is a letter of rec to pursue a carrier is in line with your demands. Your singular focus will shank us all. I'm not saying I don't want it! I'm saying you guys don't have a true leg to stand on until hiring is a problem industry wide. JetBlue does good enough in it's benefits and improvements, and is committed to improvements until then (with obvious and crappy setbacks, yes it happens). And for these reasons ALPA supporters will remain the minority. Deal with it. The next ALPA drive will fail. And that's if ALPA BOD allows another black eye to their organization. Quit crying on PCG, FSM & PCRB and look at the bigger picture. And don't forget to tell everyone that the company has essentially handcuffed themselves from unilateral changes - which of course will falter at times I know you will POINT THAT OUT. But how has a CBA worked everywhere else on that point? DEAL with the reality of JetBlue being what it is and just TRY to be content. God knows some guys can't be happy otherwise.

Originally Posted by Rake222 (Post 1242719)

As if those things really are that dramatic when we explain to others that your feeling are basically hurt. You unhappy dudes need serious therapy. We've all suffered through major failures in our careers. JetBlue is far from the crappy place you guys continually paint it to be. You wanna cherry-pick cafeteria style the "above average" in the industry and are aghast that company would push back for the obvious reasons. What you deserve is a letter of rec to pursue a carrier is in line with your demands. Your singular focus will shank us all. I'm not saying I don't want it! I'm saying you guys don't have a true leg to stand on until hiring is a problem industry wide. JetBlue does good enough in it's benefits and improvements, and is committed to improvements until then (with obvious and crappy setbacks, yes it happens). And for these reasons ALPA supporters will remain the minority. Deal with it. The next ALPA drive will fail. And that's if ALPA BOD allows another black eye to their organization. Quit crying on PCG, FSM & PCRB and look at the bigger picture. And don't forget to tell everyone that the company has essentially handcuffed themselves from unilateral changes - which of course will falter at times I know you will POINT THAT OUT. But how has a CBA worked everywhere else on that point? DEAL with the reality of JetBlue being what it is and just TRY to be content. God knows some guys can't be happy otherwise.

Originally Posted by benzoate (Post 1243133)

Over the course of the next 3 years Jetblue is shifting 80% of the healthcare cost to the employee. No other airline does this. In fact, no other company does this. The CATCAB committee, made up of management selectees, is reducing the LTD benefit by 33% this year. No other airline is doing this.

Rake will state correctly we recently received a 3% increase to our 401K. What Rake doesn't understand is the increases in healthcare and disability will cost him more than 3%.


Now, there are 4 possible rebuttals to the above facts:

1. If you don't like it leave;
2. Its better than MESA;
3. No rebuttal at all;
4. I'm on tri-care.

Jetblue pilots have trouble with reality. Jetblue tells you we are the best and they provide you the best.

The reality, based completely in fact, is we are at the bottom of almost every measurable category. These facts are not disputable. These facts do not even incorporate merger protection in our PEA's.

What say you Rake? Does Jetblue truly do good enough? Is the bottom good enough for a company recording record profits?

Originally Posted by HUD Cripple (Post 1243215)

If you had a business partner that spent the last 6 years going back on agreements, breaking their "handshake" promises, and just outright LYING to you... would you give them another chance, or would you start to employ legally binding contracts when dealing with them?