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Originally Posted by p1ayn
(Post 1240112)
Not stunning, reality...get overyourself. Look at history with EVERY airline that has had ALPA or a union. Including the three I have been with ALL ALPA..Thats my reality, ALPA had their chance mulitple times, FAIL MISERABLY!
Ill try this now, an so far Im happy. Don't like how I think or what I believe? I dont care. Keep standing on your soapbox as I laugh walking by u. Your compensation and benefits are NOTHING to laugh about! It's obvious you know very little about labor economics. The laugh is on you! T |
Originally Posted by p1ayn
(Post 1240094)
Last time I checked, over the last 12 years, UAL has furlouhed, twice! CAL has furloughed, Us Air, laughable, DAL furloughed twice and BK, TWA bought and let go pilots under "protection", Not to mention Airlines gone under, Midway, Comair, Easter, etc...We have hired since 2001 and are growing and investing. We make decent wages, better than most legacys. Insurance can improve but overall i think we are doing ok, and no CBA. I vote smart. Thats just me, and apparently the majority I fly with and the voting majority agree. I for one hope it stays the course.
Jetblue is growing??????????????? Jetblue aren't even accepting apps!!!!!!!!! If you vote smart, why is your compensation and benefits below industry average? Why, unlike any other Major Airline pilots, do you have the same health insurance as a rampie or gate agent? Aren't you held to higher standards? Voting smart?????????????????? Ignorance is bliss I guess. T |
Originally Posted by Sennaha
(Post 1240415)
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You are correct our health insurance is far below industry standard. They can't really fix that without a CBA. It is all part of the JB igalotarin (probably misspelled) philosophy. However, just because we arent accepting apps doesn't mean we aren't growing. We are getting more aircraft this year and for the foreseeable future, we also have been the only pax carrying airline hiring other then Virgin. Everyone else is shrinking to profitability while we are growing and coming up with new routes all the time (4 new destinations announced last month). I want to see a CBA on property as much as most of the guys I fly with, it is Just hard to get excited about ALPA. It is kinda like bringing in the mongooses to kill the snakes, you just end up with a mongoose problem!!
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Keep this in mind. Every major airline with a union is profitable AND they have better health insurance, retirement, scope, STD/LTD/LOL and most importantly the ability negotiate. Your mongoose to snake comparison is fair and as you astutely pointed out the latter is the better problem to have.
ALPA is not the end all be all and the level headed memebers of the OC can attest to that. But in our case it is an necessary evil in order to fight a far superior opponent. American Airlines is coming. How prepared do you want to be. |
Originally Posted by lake alice
(Post 1240489)
Keep this in mind. Every major airline with a union is profitable AND they have better health insurance, retirement, scope, STD/LTD/LOL and most importantly the ability negotiate. Your mongoose to snake comparison is fair and as you astutely pointed out the latter is the better problem to have.
ALPA is not the end all be all and the level headed memebers of the OC can attest to that. But in our case it is an necessary evil in order to fight a far superior opponent. American Airlines is coming. How prepared do you want to be. |
Originally Posted by lake alice
(Post 1240489)
Keep this in mind. Every major airline with a union is profitable AND they have better health insurance, retirement, scope, STD/LTD/LOL and most importantly the ability negotiate. Your mongoose to snake comparison is fair and as you astutely pointed out the latter is the better problem to have.
ALPA is not the end all be all and the level headed memebers of the OC can attest to that. But in our case it is an necessary evil in order to fight a far superior opponent. American Airlines is coming. How prepared do you want to be. |
Originally Posted by Southerner
(Post 1240494)
Do you guys think that AA is going to be able to pull off a purchase? There is a class starting in September, would those new hires be completely screwed if there were a purchase?
Dude, Seriously????????? JJ |
Originally Posted by Climbto450
(Post 1240493)
I will still vote yes for union rep, even if it is the mongoose. I am just not going to be excited about. And to answer the question about American, most ( including myself) have no clue if we are or aren't protected. As the 2 million dollar (supposed) fund for us won't last long with teams of 300 to 500 dollar an hour lawyers start eating away at it.
As for the protected part there were 4 legal firms contracted by the PVC to review our PEA's and each one stated we were not protected in a CBA world. Feel free to verify this with your PVC rep. As for the $2,000,000 your PEA clearly states that money is afforded to your AFTER your exhaust your own personal resources. In the likely event we are bought you are unlikely to see any money (and in the imortal words of our CFO) NONE WHATSOEVER. This is Jetblue reality and in my opinion this pilot group is Jetblue Crazy! |
Originally Posted by lake alice
(Post 1240502)
I'm not excited about it either. As I mentioned for me it is a necessary evil.
As for the protected part there were 4 legal firms contracted by the PVC to review our PEA's and each one stated we were not protected in a CBA world. Feel free to verify this with your PVC rep. As for the $2,000,000 your PEA clearly states that money is afforded to your AFTER your exhaust your own personal resources. In the likely event we are bought you are unlikely to see any money (and in the imortal words of our CFO) NONE WHATSOEVER. This is Jetblue reality and in my opinion this pilot group is Jetblue Crazy! |
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