a no vote just like that huh? You are standing yer' ground and no matter how you are treated or what your health costs are yer' going to show the union folk right? Alrighty then let us know how that works out.

 

Hey guys, quit bashing this guy. He's just scoffing at the 99%, just like most of you guys (even though we're all in the 99%)

 

Basement troll. ....look it up.

 

He might have difficulty- so I'll add this

 

So what if the company eeks out 9Q in a row of profit? When is it ok to get ours? When is it ok to get alittle upset when your told your gonna get it and then they don't give? When is it ok to be iritated because your told you are going to get average, not more, not industry leading, just average and don't even get that.

You'll get hired here soon enough. Bright, energetic, willing to take it for the team at any cost, unwilling to learn from history. The first three things there are good things by the way. You can change the unwilling to learn thing. Pilot unions are not labor unions at the car plant or the coal mine. No one here is trying to break the bank or strangle the golden goose. Most of us here have 15-30 years to go and would like to not leave. We do however deserve better. Wake up man, stop drinkin the coolaid, your not even here yet. If you were as smart as you think you are you'll go to another airline and progress faster and make more money.

 

Amazing to read the "Troll" or "Tool" comments on here for a guy that is joyous over profitablity. The "actual "tools" or "extremists" on here that have no life and continually attempt to strong arm or intimidate others for their non union belifs are amazing. Fortunately you are in the minority and until I see the vote passed I will enjoy the companys success which btw is still thriving with NO union. The few here are the same dreamers in every other airline that I personally was affiliated with, never happy no matter what the company does or say. Speaking of other airlines, so much for my job protection or rights there, not once not twice but three times eliminated from union airlines.
Amazing when I read from the trolls on here of sub par pay and benefits. REALLY!!!?? You're complaining is nauseating and childish, our pay is pretty good even compared and higher than some "legacy" carriers. Add to that premium and holiday pay. We contiually invest in improving our domiciles and terminals. We are getting new airplanes, our 401k was improved. Ok, our insurance sucks according to some. Last time I checked the entire countrys insurance program is in dissarray. Nonetheless do u feel a union will make it any better, thats laughable as last time I checked I work for JETBlue and NOT ALPA or any other union. Fact of the matter is the "dreamers" on here have no clue to the history of the ALPA and their failures, and when pointed out they close their eyes and ramble on with excuses like a dirty politician hiding something. History has proven to me that sooner or later, the "CBA" is garbage and means NOTHING in the final end, so there is no winner. I would rather work in a friendly enviroment that even in a "bad" economy is making profits, getting airplanes adding new destinations for pennies less than to work with a disgruntled "professional" that continoiusly says"its not in my contract". It is what it is here, Im happy to be here not because its jetblue but rather because finally i can come to work where there are positive signs everywhere, whether you wish to believe it or not is your choice. Want a union, I have yet to hear a viable reason, in the meantime there are many out there that are affialiated with disgruntlted employees and failing business plans. The few tools or "extremists" are sure to call the names now and possibly dissect this post, have at it I could care less. In the end it doesnt matter as you are only a few that have no impact on my life. I look at the reality of what is happening and has happened, I look at the glass half full, and enjoy my job and guys and gals I fly with. The comment of "when is it ok to get ours" is a joke and only proves my point, what EXACTLY is yours to get???? You're a pilot that flies good equipment for a profitable airline. Get over it! Want to get more, start your own airline or business. Just another example of the union attitude i have witnessed over the last 17 years of flying. Job protection and better work rules, tell that to the TWA, Eastern, United, USAir pilots, and now on the regional side Comair, the lists goes on...Im done. Hate all you want. In conclusion, dont hate attack those that actually enjoy their job and their company. SOmething is working here, it aint broke, maybe a little tuneup is needed but it sure as hell aint broke.

 

p1ayn, you missed who we're calling troll. It's the guy saying he's a no vote when he doesn't even work here. We're all happy our employer is making money, I guess you think massive devaluation of our insurance is acceptable in the face of record profits is ok. If you haven't fears a good reason for a CBA yet then I suggest you just aren't listening.

 

Maybe I misunderstood of the last post or who it was directed at. I apologize for that, as well as my frustration. However my viewpoint is remains the same on the union issue is all. I am not happy with the devaluation of our insurance however i firmly believe having a union would not remedy that and if it does it will be at the expense of another benefit. The whole country has an isurance issue that is just reality. My issue is directed at the extremist attitude toward other fellow JB pilots who happen to feel the same as I do. To each thir own and I respect the pro unioners on their opinion as i have always stated in past. I do not however believe in the constant attacks with childish statements, "head in the sand" "tools", "Illinformed" to name a few only because someone does not believe in having a cba. That is my only issue. My belief is that although we do have a few things to iron out, as a whole JB is a great place to be at, has more benefits than negatives and we do "I" and I repeat, "I" feel the issues do not justify having a union. That is it. It amazes me how the issue itself is causing division amongst us when we are a successful airline.
Cheers..

 

I started at JetBlue with the exact same mentality. I am largely corporate background so I never saw the need for a union. One year later I am a firm believer that we need a union. I don't care about the "stick it to management" blind mentality that I see on these threads. What I do care about is JetBlue sticking to their commitments on topics like fixing our retirement, health insurance and our supposed pier set pay which they now have decided that they aren't going to use anymore, They refer to it as unsustainable in light of Delta's new TA. I love this company but without a CBA we will never be able to hOld the company responsible for the compensation package that we signed on for.

 

Here's the advantage of getting your insurance taken care of in a CBA: the company can't just arbitrarily change things year after year. As it stands now, people are running around talking about insurance premiums doubling next year, and it's entirely possible. With a CBA with insurance language, there are things they can and can't do. For example, where I am now, we're pretty much locked in what we have until we re-negotiate (or the court kills it in bankruptcy court). It actually worked to our advantage being under a CBA in negotiations for 7 years. We were still paying late 90s insurance rates because of the CBA until a new one was negotiated. Sad part is, I fly CRJ-200s, and our insurance is better than what jetBlue has.

Yes, insurance is bad across the country, but that's not an excuse to accept below par insurance compared to other carriers. If a REGIONAL can do it, then I'm sure the jetBlue pilots can come to an agreement that both protects them as well as profits for the company as a whole.