JetBlue 52M 2nd Quarter Profit
07-27-2012 | 12:55 PM
#31
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Because the company has to know it's labor costs to be viable long-term, and if every time the company has a positive quarter people start foaming at the mouth, the company will not be successful.
I was hoping to some day work at JetBlue, precisely because it is non-union. If I ever get there, I will be a solid no vote, and it is precisely because of people like that guy.
I was hoping to some day work at JetBlue, precisely because it is non-union. If I ever get there, I will be a solid no vote, and it is precisely because of people like that guy.
07-27-2012 | 01:22 PM
#32
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I think you should refill your kool aid keg. If a company is successful its because everybody is doing their job. Everyone should share in the wealth because that's what is morally correct. Are you saying that management has the final say on the "pot"? Fine, let them fly the airplanes.
07-27-2012 | 03:05 PM
#33
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To defend southerner we must remember that he doesn't work here. It is much easier to judge a situation when it doesn't effect you. That being said I also respect pilots who have differing opinions than my own. If the company would deliver what they promised I would see no need for a union. I personally throw up in my mouth when I think about letting ALPA in but at this point I don't see any other way to get a solid CBA.
07-27-2012 | 03:23 PM
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ALPA used to induce vomit, but then I realized that it was largely due to the carrier I worked for under ALPA. FedEx, DAL, UAL/CAL, Alaska, Hawaiian are all great places to be, but ALPA didnt make them great, it just ensures they will stay great through the course of a contract.
I dont expect ALPA to fix all the issues with JB. I just want a CBA to have some predictability for basics like annual COLA raises to keep up with inflation, and a legal way to enforce bidding/seniority/work rules. Stable insurance benefits and industry average retirement as well.
I dont expect ALPA to fix all the issues with JB. I just want a CBA to have some predictability for basics like annual COLA raises to keep up with inflation, and a legal way to enforce bidding/seniority/work rules. Stable insurance benefits and industry average retirement as well.
07-28-2012 | 07:51 AM
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ALPA used to induce vomit, but then I realized that it was largely due to the carrier I worked for under ALPA. FedEx, DAL, UAL/CAL, Alaska, Hawaiian are all great places to be, but ALPA didnt make them great, it just ensures they will stay great through the course of a contract.
I dont expect ALPA to fix all the issues with JB. I just want a CBA to have some predictability for basics like annual COLA raises to keep up with inflation, and a legal way to enforce bidding/seniority/work rules. Stable insurance benefits and industry average retirement as well.
I dont expect ALPA to fix all the issues with JB. I just want a CBA to have some predictability for basics like annual COLA raises to keep up with inflation, and a legal way to enforce bidding/seniority/work rules. Stable insurance benefits and industry average retirement as well.
Nobody wants to kill this company. So many of us are married to it and want to make it a good place to work, especially for the pilots.
GP
07-28-2012 | 07:56 AM
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Exactly. All I want is what the company told us to expect. Industry average pay & benefits. The company is behind in retirement (even after they said that they "fixed" it) and is far behind in health benefits. However, the company now wants to kick Delta out of the calculation because of their new contract. Watch them kick out United and USAir whenever they get new contracts and their pay goes up. Then they'll want to get Allegiant, Spirit and VA in the peer set.
Nobody wants to kill this company. So many of us are married to it and want to make it a good place to work, especially for the pilots.
GP
Nobody wants to kill this company. So many of us are married to it and want to make it a good place to work, especially for the pilots.
GP
07-28-2012 | 08:29 AM
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Exactly. All I want is what the company told us to expect. Industry average pay & benefits. The company is behind in retirement (even after they said that they "fixed" it) and is far behind in health benefits. However, the company now wants to kick Delta out of the calculation because of their new contract. Watch them kick out United and USAir whenever they get new contracts and their pay goes up. Then they'll want to get Allegiant, Spirit and VA in the peer set.
Nobody wants to kill this company. So many of us are married to it and want to make it a good place to work, especially for the pilots.
GP
Nobody wants to kill this company. So many of us are married to it and want to make it a good place to work, especially for the pilots.
GP
07-28-2012 | 10:01 AM
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From: 320 F.O.
Hey, how about that? When a company keeps it's promises to it's employees, especially when they are profitable, unions generally will not flourish. I have said it many times before and I will say it again, a lack of moral character among upper management, BODs and others has brought this and many other of our once highly regarded companies closer to the threshold of oblivion.
07-28-2012 | 10:27 AM
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Honestly, I think it should be looked at as a total package. Get rid of healthcare altogether if they want, but up the pay to the point where I can buy it on my own. That's how I looked at it when my current gig was going through negotiations. Sure, raise my premiums and co-pay, but my hourly better be going up enough where my monthly take home isn't going backwards. I look at pay and benefits as a total package rather than separate entities. Give up something on one, increase in the other column, otherwise it's an overall loss.
07-28-2012 | 10:34 AM
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I think you should refill your kool aid keg. If a company is successful its because everybody is doing their job. Everyone should share in the wealth because that's what is morally correct. Are you saying that management has the final say on the "pot"? Fine, let them fly the airplanes.
What spurred my post was that "FUPM" attitude. I hate it. It is everywhere around my current company, and it is childish and ignorant.
Again, the main reason I want to go to JetBlue is that you guys are non-union. If you vote in a union before I have an opportunity to try to get there, I'll look elsewhere. That doesn't mean that I wouldn't expect pay improvements, etc., I just do not like unions. Never have, and never will. This opinion on unions started from my pre-airline days.
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