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hockeypilot44 08-23-2012 03:08 PM


Originally Posted by dxBrian (Post 1250132)
Can't somebody give the guy a straight answer?

Amerijet, as a CASS participant, has a CASS Administrator who is responsible for maintaining the CASS data base for the company. That includes adding qualified employees, updating files as necessary and removing those who are no longer qualified for whatever reason.

It is probably one of the pilots or perhaps someone who works in the Chief Pilot's Office. The CPO should be able to tell you who it is. Just ask him (or her) if he has added you to the data base.

Also, for your information, there is a list of airlines/aviation companies that consider participation in CASS as a reciprocal agreement. Your Administrator should be able to give you that list.

He doesn't fly for Amerijet. He flies for Ameriflight.

hockeypilot44 08-23-2012 03:11 PM


Originally Posted by XtremeF150 (Post 1250146)
You didn't even use to need CASS to ride in the back? Now the actual j/s of course, but if someone clears security like everyone else then where is the security breach?
I understand wanting to follow the manuals but I think that is something that our companies have set up that was not an actual FAR but as written did receive FAA approval per the manuals so I understand where guys are coming from with that one but if it was a FAR, SWA wouldn't accomadate all these guys.

I know they do though because I worked for a non CASS carrier before and they still allowed cabin only j/s for us.

You have to have a ticket to get through security. A 135 badge is not sufficient to just go through security whenever he feels like it. Jumpseating is a 121 thing. There are a few exceptions for 135 carriers that can reciprocate.

dxBrian 08-23-2012 04:30 PM

So I mis-typed. That does not change the validity of my answer. They still have to have a CASS Administrator, and there is a list of airlines that consider CASS participation as a reciprocal agreement.

SoCalGuy 08-23-2012 04:46 PM


Originally Posted by dxBrian (Post 1250521)
.....there is a list of airlines that consider CASS participation as a reciprocal agreement.

Amazing what Google turns up.
CASS Airlines

About a year old, but I'm sure it's still fairly accurate.

forgot to bid 08-23-2012 05:09 PM


Originally Posted by SoCalGuy (Post 1250531)
Amazing what Google turns up.
CASS Airlines

About a year old, but I'm sure it's still fairly accurate.

There is also:

Jumpseat Information > Home

Also google: ALPA National Jumpseat Committee's Jumpseat Guide


Colnago 08-23-2012 06:12 PM

Our FOM requires a recip agreement and has a list of carriers in the manual. I've never understood the spread of wrong information regarding CASS. CASS doesn't mean you can ride for free with another "CASS carrier" (I don't even get that term). It just means you can ride up front if the cabin is full in the back.

CRJAV8OR 08-23-2012 09:00 PM

From a former Ameriflight pilot, welcome aboard. You will be welcomed on all SWA flights. For what it is worth, all FOM's and airlines view jumpseaters differently. But, all FOM's are FAA approved documents. So, if it is allowed in the FOM, you are allowed if the Captain will agree to take you, even if there is no reciprocal agreement, as long as there is a cabin seat available. My previous two airlines would in fact accept non reciprocal pilots at Captains discretion as long as there were seats in back. The People commenting here are talking about what their specific airline approves, it does not encompass all airlines policy on the issue.

dxBrian 08-29-2012 09:13 PM


Originally Posted by Colnago (Post 1250578)
Our FOM requires a recip agreement and has a list of carriers in the manual. I've never understood the spread of wrong information regarding CASS. CASS doesn't mean you can ride for free with another "CASS carrier" (I don't even get that term). It just means you can ride up front if the cabin is full in the back.

CASS carrier means an airline that participates in CASS, pretty simple. I know for a fact that in 2008 there was a list of carriers that considered participation in CASS as a reciprocal agreement. It was about 1/4 to 1/3 of the total list, mostly smaller pax airlines and freight dogs. It is possible that has changed, but I have no way of confirming either way, as I am no longer employed directly by an air carrier.

viking767 08-30-2012 06:30 PM

How would one go abouit riding a jumpseat on Ameriflight?
Cass necessary?
Is there a published schedule?

sailingfun 08-31-2012 04:06 AM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1249223)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but you don't need a reciprocal jumpseat agreement to allow someone on your flight deck.... that recip agreement is a UNION thing. And ***** the union. Check your own FOM/GOM, but if it allows a pilot in the flight deck jumpseat with CASS approval and PIC approval, then welcome aboard!

Actually the entire concept of jumpseat is a union thing. It evolved from the unions and has been maintained by union airlines. When the TSA decided that the jumpseat was gone forever in 2001 it was once again the unions that spent a ton of money and effort getting it restored. By yeah *****the union. What a uneducated post.


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