Lookin' good!
10-20-2012, 03:27 PM
#93
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Originally Posted by tsquare
Your argument is ridiculous. Leave you alone? While I might personally leave you alone, the company has every right to expect and demand that you wear the uniform in it's prescribed manner. You do NOT have the right to defy that and leave your hat at home because it makes you look goofy or whatever lame reason you have for not doing so. ........
10-20-2012, 11:16 PM
#95
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I'm not at an airline or anything so maybe I'm in over my head by saying this and by no means am I trying to argue with anyone; but how did a thank you post for looking professional get any more than two pages of responses?
I'm not against fighting for something I believe is wrong but if its an issue of wearing a hat or not, why not just wear it if the people who pay you say it's required?
Some people think it looks good. Some people think its outdated. Pax may think it makes you look professional. (I know a guy who refuses to fly without a captain that has gray hair because he thinks it means they are experienced) Pilots know the hat is not what's flying the airplane (the autopilot is
). The way you act and do your job is more of a reason to consider someone professional or not. Now on the other hand, the hat.......... Well it's just that. A hat. What's the big deal. There's more important things in life to be worried about. Unless its to heavy and making your neck hurt or squeezing against your temple giving you headaches before flight. I don't see what the big deal is for arguing/negotiating with your employer.
My personal view.... I'm gonna wear whatever uniform is required by the employer paying my bills and spend more time (if necessary) negotiating things that matter more.
It's a hat....... -___-
But like i said I'm not hear to argue with anyone. I'm just a low time flight instructor who doesn't know a thing about anything in the airline world. Please feel free to help me understand how this thread got to double digit pages of replies about a hat.
Fly safe everyone
Brandon
I'm not against fighting for something I believe is wrong but if its an issue of wearing a hat or not, why not just wear it if the people who pay you say it's required?
Some people think it looks good. Some people think its outdated. Pax may think it makes you look professional. (I know a guy who refuses to fly without a captain that has gray hair because he thinks it means they are experienced) Pilots know the hat is not what's flying the airplane (the autopilot is
). The way you act and do your job is more of a reason to consider someone professional or not. Now on the other hand, the hat.......... Well it's just that. A hat. What's the big deal. There's more important things in life to be worried about. Unless its to heavy and making your neck hurt or squeezing against your temple giving you headaches before flight. I don't see what the big deal is for arguing/negotiating with your employer.My personal view.... I'm gonna wear whatever uniform is required by the employer paying my bills and spend more time (if necessary) negotiating things that matter more.
It's a hat....... -___-
But like i said I'm not hear to argue with anyone. I'm just a low time flight instructor who doesn't know a thing about anything in the airline world. Please feel free to help me understand how this thread got to double digit pages of replies about a hat.
Fly safe everyone
Brandon
10-20-2012, 11:25 PM
#96
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Might I add, I also understand the OP made it sound like people who don't wear hats are not professional looking (s/he is entitled to their own opinion). I got that. Please don't attack me for it sounding like I was sticking up for them. Nor did I read all 10 pages about whatever else was said about hats I just skipped to the end after the first page. Anyway, blue skies
Brandon
Brandon
10-21-2012, 05:05 AM
#97
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Originally Posted by Timbo
Best come back about the hat I ever heard was from my F/O, who didn't have his hat with him when we got a line check shortly after the flushing of our DB plan back in 2004.
The LCA is getting into the jumpseat (757) and hangs his hat up on the back wall, next to mine, but there's no F/O hat up there, or anywhere, so he asked him, "Hey, where's your hat?"
He said, "I don't know, I left it downstairs on top of my retirement, and now they're both gone..."
Priceless! I just burst out laughing.
The LCA was speachless.
The LCA is getting into the jumpseat (757) and hangs his hat up on the back wall, next to mine, but there's no F/O hat up there, or anywhere, so he asked him, "Hey, where's your hat?"
He said, "I don't know, I left it downstairs on top of my retirement, and now they're both gone..."
Priceless! I just burst out laughing.
The LCA was speachless.
What would not have been so funny and perhaps left your FO "speachless" would have been if the LCA had DQ'ed him....And since you as Captain are charged with ensuring your crew adheres to uniform standards, it might not have seemed so priceless...
10-21-2012, 05:31 AM
#98
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Originally Posted by Gomerglideslope
What would not have been so funny and perhaps left your FO "speachless" would have been if the LCA had DQ'ed him....And since you as Captain are charged with ensuring your crew adheres to uniform standards, it might not have seemed so priceless...
10-21-2012, 05:35 AM
#99
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Originally Posted by Bbourne2009
I'm not against fighting for something I believe is wrong but if its an issue of wearing a hat or not, why not just wear it if the people who pay you say it's required?
Some people think it looks good. Some people think its outdated. Pax may think it makes you look professional. (I know a guy who refuses to fly without a captain that has gray hair because he thinks it means they are experienced) Pilots know the hat is not what's flying the airplane (the autopilot is). The way you act and do your job is more of a reason to consider someone professional or not. Now on the other hand, the hat.......... Well it's just that. A hat. What's the big deal. There's more important things in life to be worried about. Unless its to heavy and making your neck hurt or squeezing against your temple giving you headaches before flight. I don't see what the big deal is for arguing/negotiating with your employer.
My personal view.... I'm gonna wear whatever uniform is required by the employer paying my bills and spend more time (if necessary) negotiating things that matter more.
It's a hat....... -___-
But like i said I'm not hear to argue with anyone. I'm just a low time flight instructor who doesn't know a thing about anything in the airline world. Please feel free to help me understand how this thread got to double digit pages of replies about a hat.
Fly safe everyone
Brandon
Some people think it looks good. Some people think its outdated. Pax may think it makes you look professional. (I know a guy who refuses to fly without a captain that has gray hair because he thinks it means they are experienced) Pilots know the hat is not what's flying the airplane (the autopilot is
). The way you act and do your job is more of a reason to consider someone professional or not. Now on the other hand, the hat.......... Well it's just that. A hat. What's the big deal. There's more important things in life to be worried about. Unless its to heavy and making your neck hurt or squeezing against your temple giving you headaches before flight. I don't see what the big deal is for arguing/negotiating with your employer.My personal view.... I'm gonna wear whatever uniform is required by the employer paying my bills and spend more time (if necessary) negotiating things that matter more.
It's a hat....... -___-
But like i said I'm not hear to argue with anyone. I'm just a low time flight instructor who doesn't know a thing about anything in the airline world. Please feel free to help me understand how this thread got to double digit pages of replies about a hat.
Fly safe everyone
Brandon
Here's my beef with it:
1) We deadhead frequently. No matter how carefully you put that big Ralph Kramden hat in the overhead bin, some pax will rearrange things and your hat ends up being crushed by a rollaboard.
2) When they survey they ask if the hat looks professional. How about asking if the hat factors in your decision to fly one airline over another!
3) The decision to make the hat mandatory is made by someone in an air conditioned office who never wears a hat. Just like the summer Harry made the horse blanket mandatory.
Feel free to add more
If I were king, I'd make it optional. That way if you feel you need the hat to look professional or identifiable, you can.
Not a uniform then, you say? How many uniform options do our FAs have? I'd guess at least 10, including an optional hat!
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