Airline Management
11-09-2006 | 10:02 AM
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Airline Management
Let's hear hear some opinions on this thread by luv2fly. The first step to change is discussion. Get people talking and spread the word.
"I'm convinced the creation of the 100 pax "regional jet" is a collusion between the aircraft builder and airline management. It's called a "regional jet" so they can pay the workers associated with it lower wages. Why else would a company commited to the Airbus buy this aircraft? They could have cut down on training and maintenance costs by a ton with all the commonality between a 320/318 fleet vs a 320/190 fleet, but then they would have had to pay wage rates commensurate with a "large" aircraft. As a group pilots need to fight the designation that these are "regional aircraft". That's just my opinion though." luv2fly
"I'm convinced the creation of the 100 pax "regional jet" is a collusion between the aircraft builder and airline management. It's called a "regional jet" so they can pay the workers associated with it lower wages. Why else would a company commited to the Airbus buy this aircraft? They could have cut down on training and maintenance costs by a ton with all the commonality between a 320/318 fleet vs a 320/190 fleet, but then they would have had to pay wage rates commensurate with a "large" aircraft. As a group pilots need to fight the designation that these are "regional aircraft". That's just my opinion though." luv2fly
11-09-2006 | 11:44 AM
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Let's face it, pilots are the problem as well. That's why we need great leadership at ALPA and at the grass roots level as well. Pilots need to be committed to their profession. For example: Don't let non union pilots ride in your jumpseat. this will help in the cause to keep talented, experienced pilots from accepting sub standard low paying jobs at the LLCs. It's a bit more complex than that, but if pilots don't take theese jobs for those wages, companies would have to charge more for tickets etc. and the race to the bottom would come to an end. A salary for an A320 capt and fo should be the same at all airlines. One can argue that they are the same now, but that's because the LLCs put pressure on the legacies to bring it to that level.
11-09-2006 | 12:40 PM
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Let's face it, pilots are the problem as well. ..Pilots need to be committed to their profession. For example: Don't let non union pilots ride in your jumpseat...if pilots don't take these jobs for those wages, companies would have to charge more for tickets etc. and the race to the bottom would come to an end.
Why anyone would give a non-union pilot a cockpit jumpseat ride is beyond me. CASS access is a different thing. That privilege is granted Company to Company. But there's no way any non-Union or scab pilot will sit on my flight deck.
B6 guys like to point out that Legacy salaries are approaching their's. However, they convieniently forget that it was them going to work at those rates 6 years ago that illustrated to Legacy managers exactly what pilots would work for.
11-09-2006 | 05:06 PM
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11-09-2006 | 05:25 PM
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Gulfstream is Teamsters and they have to pay $10,000 to work there for low pay. I wish Union airline meant it was a good airline, but it doesn't these days. We do need unity of pilots at all airlines somehow to fix the problems out there. ALPA is not a Union of pilots, it is many micro unions of pilots. Pilots don't fight for each other, they fight for themselves. That needs to change to change the status of the industry for pilots. I wish I had the answers.
11-11-2006 | 10:31 PM
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Jumpseat agreements today are negotiated by company, and serves as a benefit to all involved. I have union pilots ride my jumpseat all the time, and if union pilots began denying me I would do the same. I know that there are more than a handful of pilots of legacy carriers that live in the outlying cities we serve and commute to work on us, just as many of us here at skyw rely on union carriers for the same. To begin denying jumpseats for this union/non-union thing would just amount to a stupid pi$$ing contest that would create an undue hardship for alot of people.
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11-12-2006 | 05:07 AM
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I agree completely
Let's hear hear some opinions on this thread by luv2fly. The first step to change is discussion. Get people talking and spread the word.
"I'm convinced the creation of the 100 pax "regional jet" is a collusion between the aircraft builder and airline management. It's called a "regional jet" so they can pay the workers associated with it lower wages. Why else would a company commited to the Airbus buy this aircraft? They could have cut down on training and maintenance costs by a ton with all the commonality between a 320/318 fleet vs a 320/190 fleet, but then they would have had to pay wage rates commensurate with a "large" aircraft. As a group pilots need to fight the designation that these are "regional aircraft". That's just my opinion though." luv2fly
"I'm convinced the creation of the 100 pax "regional jet" is a collusion between the aircraft builder and airline management. It's called a "regional jet" so they can pay the workers associated with it lower wages. Why else would a company commited to the Airbus buy this aircraft? They could have cut down on training and maintenance costs by a ton with all the commonality between a 320/318 fleet vs a 320/190 fleet, but then they would have had to pay wage rates commensurate with a "large" aircraft. As a group pilots need to fight the designation that these are "regional aircraft". That's just my opinion though." luv2fly
11-12-2006 | 03:43 PM
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How else do new aircraft come to market
Alot of money, time, and manpower goes into developing a new aircraft.
