Moak and Cohen on Diane Rehm Right Now
 

Nice interview, but we all know the problem, everyone knows the solution, but the bureaucratic machine is hungry therefore it'll never get fix. ($$$)

It is frustrating to see how political correct these guys try to be.

And Rehm should have had Airline executives as well, that would've been more entertaining.

All this money ALPA and the Regional Union collect, should have some redirected towards national media, FOX, CNN etc to explain the real problem. My neighbor doesn’t get the ALPA magazine, doesn’t listen to NPR and or Cspan. Like him there are millions that still think pilots are overpaid.

I hope it gets the attetion it deserves. For our careers, our families and ourselves.

Capt. Moak did a good job. I'd say we got our money's worth more than the RAA (ahem A4A).

Since regionals are an entry level position, pay is inline with the experience level of most regional pilots.

What happens when entry level pilots are flying A320s(or whatever aircraft you are currently flying)?

Our scope will never allow outsourced jets that large. No worries from me.

Entry level, like Comair? Do you have any idea how many people have spent over 5 years at "entry level" pay?

No, but when XYZ low cost carrier is flying the same aircraft as you for half the pay with entry level pilots then it will have an affect.

No it won't. First of all, we don't fly anything that small and most importantly, LCCs are not in our peer group of airlines.

Doesn't stop the fact that Comair and all regionals are entry level jobs.

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totd.

Do not feed the troll.

Just Flamebait.... right?? :confused:

It appears MEMbrain has come down with a case of the trolls this morning.

No. Our only peer airline is UPS for contract comparison purposes. I sure as heck don't want to be compared to an LCC or even a legacy.

It should be everyone's problem MEM, hopefully Fedex will treat you well and you wont have to look for something that will start you at the bottom again...or you weren't at an entry level before?

I'm not worried about anything happening to FedEx. I don't want to spend negotiating capital for issues that don't apply to FedEx. This is my last flying job and I'm not starting over at some other airline. And no, I wasn't entry level before FedEx.

We get it, MEMbrain. A little bit of trolling is always funny, but now you're overdoing it. Stop now or I put on my moderator cap.

My radio blocks NPR. TOO liberal for my radio.

Fixed it for you.

Well, guess we know who part of the 5% club at FedEx is now... Thanks for sharing your valuable thoughts on the matter from your lofty perch.

MEMbrain has been warned to tone it down, otherwise he won't be visiting us here so much anymore...

Regional jobs may be entry level jobs but SHOULD they be? No is the answer! All pilots in command of our country's jetliner should be highly qualified. The days of starting as a Flight Engineer and observing for years are over.

I'll give you that on average, the regionals have less experience. But is is not an entry level job. it is the EXACT same responsibilities and duties that you have, on a (sometimes) smaller plane with the exact same equipment yours has in the same airspace. Calling that entry level would be about as dumb as me saying Fedex is entry level since all you do is fly cargo, not people. or that a surgeon operating on a skinny patient has less skill/responsibility than one operating on a fat patient (size of plane). How many military pilots came to this "entry level" job? How many sub 1000 hour pilots have the majors hired?

Your screen name fits your intellectual prejudice.

NPR has been found over and over again to be one of the least biased media sources available in the US.

Most regional jets are as big or bigger that "airliners" of the past. They are certainly faster too. IMO, they have passed the point of being entry level positions. They should pay VERY well. It is the deregulated (not really) walmartization of the industry along with competitive factors that have kept regional pay depressed.

9000+ TT, Flight Instructed 2 years, Night Cargo 3 years, 3000 PIC Mighty Beech 1900D far Northeast winters, 3000 TT CRJ of which 800 PIC, downgraded do to lost contracts. 8 years at my regional, YES 8! Made 35K last year and rent a room, cannot afford decent side of town. Your right, thats about where my pay should be compared to my experience.

Sorry guys, I would apologize for MEMBrain dead except
I doubt He is a FedEx pilot, or if he is, he hasn't been one very long.

He is right, we don't worry about small jets too much here.
FedEx wet leases larger jets. Maybe he has never seen the white 747's or MD11s or A300's that show up around our system carrying our freight, and the pilots flying those jets were making much less. eek:

Scope is everybodies business, it affects us all.

Did the ALPA president really say, major airline pilots are paid appropriately??

Pilot shortage
 

For those of you who don't like to (or can't) read, follow the link below. Aired today on NPR and submitted here for your listening pleasure.

Audio Player | The Diane Rehm Show from WAMU and NPR

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I am sure you will ban me again. Bug you may need to go fly, take a break from here or resign as a mod. The guy, while being a troll is not threatening or using inappropriate language, such as I did calling bucking bar a feminine hygene product. He is no more of a troll or feces stirer than our own bb. If you are going to put him in time out, I fully expect BB to be the next time he starts his.

I didnt ban you... youve had so many other infractions from other mods that when I did the first thing to you for calling another user a dbag (in all caps and misspelled to get around the filter), the system automatically banned you.

I deleted 80% of what membrain posted in this thread, so the only stuff left is what was within the terms of service.

Deal with it and/or fill out the internet butthurt form and send it to me.

Andy Pasztor stated that Express Jet hired 800 pilots in the last two years. I dont think ASA/Express Jet has hired 800 pilots in the last five years maybe even longer.

Not sure what you are into, but I'll stay clear of the " butthurt" stuff. Not my thing, but who I am I to judge. That being said, I expect the same sensoring/deleting of bb when he trolls, blames, and insults over 40% or YOUR co-workers. You have not been consistant. Btw, I DID NOT intentionally misspell it to get around the filters, just misspelled. Stop ASSuming. On another note, when did this forum turn into the girl scout forum?

Yes, their actual reporting is not too biased, but their commentary, interest stories, and the majority of their guest interviews/sought opinions reflect their left of center positions on the issues. It's not prejudice he's basing that opinion on. I listen to NPR quite often and can agree that while the content is normally very good, it is definitely a liberally biased organization.

No, what he said was foreign airlines pay appropriately and that is why good ol' 'merican boys are flying outside the US.

IMO, it was the only part of the interview where he was able to stay "on message."

Does ALPA not have a "dealing with the press" training program?

I listen to and support NPR. I agree, sometimes they lean to far to the left for my taste. I still learn a lot by listening.

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ALPA should hire Sully to do these programs!

Agree completely. Its amazing that he listens to the most biased media of all, and criticizes NPR.

I just listened to the interview and I have to say that even by the low standards of some of his predecessors, Capt. Moak fails to impress. What I heard is exactly what has failed ALPA in the past 20 years - a failure to take the long view on what has happened (willingness to entirely surrender their share of the growth to the regionals in exchange for a few pieces of silver) and what is going to happen (MPL). I strongly disagree that things are just fine with major airline pay. On the average, major airline pay has done an abysmal job of keeping up with inflation. Sure, there are some bright spots amidst the doom but it is obvious that the ALPA president views the profession from the paradigm of his own position - a senior DAL captain. To call the statement that the profession has lost its allure, "hogwash" is to ignore the basic economics of what is happening.

I'm starting to like the idea more and more to pay the President of ALPA the salary of the lowest paid captain that he/she represents.