benzoate

Riddle it didn't fail to mention it. At the outset of this process management, which later became the PAR, made it clear the only thing you would receive this year is a pay raise. Ill see if I can find the emails.
In my opinion JetBlue is convinced it can sway 50.1% of the pilot group with a simple pay raise. Keep in mind, as the recent PAR email alluded, significant give backs in the form of code sharing are expected in addition to other work rule related items.
Insurance isn't to be discussed as they have already made those determinations for next year. The changes were part of a 3-4 year plan so the only number we anticipate is the percentage increase. Feel free to contact the comp and benefits people on that one.
Lastly you are industry standard in the remaining items.

benzoate

From SVP Martin March 18:

That new landscape also changes and challenges our ability to compete successfully for growth. To assist in funding compensation increases and remain competitive as the industry changes, we either need to cut existing budgets in other areas across the business, implement Pilot productivity offsets or find new opportunities to create additional revenue. We prefer the latter. More revenue is good for all of us. It means more aircraft, more hiring, more upgrades and Quality of Life enhancements.

While there are many issues of interest to discuss, we simply cannot cover every topic in the next few months. We must prioritize and determine what to address first, second, third and so on - and we believe the compensation package is number one on everyone’s list right now.



In short you will receive a pay raise offset by code sharing on domestic routes and fly more days.

RiddleEagle18

Wait a minute. They want to talk about everything else. They used the phrase "compensation bucket" not me.

All of that is compensation.


They are talking about a comprehensive review! Comprehensive by its very definition means what??

They are trying to tie codeshare to this pay raise. How should we not tie ALL compensation to it too.

That email from Jeff is old news when they were trying to push forward without a protocol agreement.

Bluedriver

You forgot to highlight the part where additional codesharing would lead to " More revenue is good for all of us. It means more aircraft, more hiring, more upgrades and Quality of Life enhancements."

We would certainly be the lower cost, more productive airline and pilot group in any 2-way codeshare (AA).

Bluedriver

I am hopeful the protocal agreement lets us vote seperately on codeshare changes vs payrates.

benzoate

The protocol agreement is to hold the their feet to the fire.

While the code share may bring more revenue it certainly doesn't creat more flying for JetBlue pilots. It simply takes a route that a 320/190 can do, per the PPA, and allow another carrier to do that flying. This isn't the watershed idea managements emails allude to.

Remember Jetblues network is "open architecture" which simply means outsourcing. Allow someone else to do a job you can do for less money, headache, training... Pick a reason.

Bluedriver

Its a TWO WAY codeshare. TWO WAY. So you are saying that AA and JB management, through their collaboration and planning, would have the MORE expensive and LESS productive group do the lion's share of the new flying?

Look, I am not saying I want substantial codesharing, and no say in the codesharing. But I am not as convinced that WE will be the big losers in an AA codeshare. I also think it is niave and misleading to suggest that if we don't allow any codesharing, management will be forced to order a whole bunch of new airplanes to fly those routes that we wouldn't let them codeshare on.....

Also, if a big mega-carrier (biggest in the world) wants to code-share with us, the same one we have been taking their flying from for years, and we say no-thanks, they may have a pretty aggressive anti-cooperative and anti-jetBlue response waiting for us.... Maybe it isn't smart to poke the BIG BEAR in the eye at this stage of our existince over some routes that we might otherwise overlap on or be unprofitable for us both to serve at the same time....

Again, us forcing management to not codeshare will NOT force them to order a bunch more airplanes and grow faster than they want....

Yes, I am pro-union.

Bluedriver

I am no airline CEO. I am not even an internet airline CEO like some guys on here pretend to be. I do not get NDA PVC information regarding routes, plans, projections. My views on codesharing are not set in stone. I do NOT want significant, unlimited codesharing without pilot consent...

So make a thoughtful response to my point by point concerns and will listen. Scare-mongering does NOT work on me.

Sennaha

More flying at what cost? I hear the revenue stream is anticipated at 100 million. With the least restrictive code sharing, JB will become dependant on the income and will end up having to compete, or bid for further revenue with other potential carriers. Thus will end up with a chunk of flying that puts JB into a Regional carrier status. Your future will be competing against lowest bidder. Sound familiar?
Even if the flying isn't threatened, you will hear from leadership the threat of losing revenue if you are paid too much. Have fun with that!

RiddleEagle18

Yes the economics on the American deal favor us right now. What about when Republic opens up an independent brand that operates E190's for way less. Oh wait they already do. Two way code share goes both ways.

Better to keep that genie in the bottle if able. It certainly hasnt hurt the southwest guys.