Alaska Negotiations
 

I just saw the Flight Attendants are petitioning the NMB now. Get used to status quo pilot boys and girls. Fly the contract that Kasher helped negotiate. Let's see how many pilots with short memories we have here.

I'm right there with you! Pay rate only, I'm voting no for anything less than 15% plain and simple. With almost 14% ROIC, the highest in the industry, they can afford to pay us every bit of DAL and SWA.

I bet you'll see some big numbers for pay. You'll just have to allow Skywest/republic/Mesa to fly the mid sized jets(110ish seater). Good luck.

And this pilot group will take that...sadly.

Yeah right
 

Sounds like a good time for VSA ;)

The company is counting on us to be the good little boys and girls and continue to fly extra. If you really want a contract worth living with for the next 5+ years then suck it up and fly what is required. We can put pressure on them without doing something construed as illegal. These are the same people that gave us the butthurt that Kasher awarded them. Remember that!

From MEC news letter:

Talks broke down yesterday evening over compensation. Management’s current position on wages would create an increasing gap between us and our peers over the duration of the contract. This does not reflect your contribution to our Company’s history of record profits and sustained financial success.

Management is scheduled to participate in Alaska Air Group’s Board of Directors meeting for the rest of this week. There are no further meetings scheduled with their Negotiating Team.

No soup fo you!!!
Imagine that...the company doesn't want to give this pilot group a "fair" pay raise. :rolleyes: You mean the same management group that took EVERYTHING that Kasher awarded and even argued (and won) that the colon is actually a period in the vacation pay value -- 3:50 vs. 3.50. Never forget, folks!!!

I've seen/heard "Kasher" a few times. Anyone care to provide a quick primer for those not in the know? Thx.

Richard (Dick) Kasher was the arbitrator who gutted every pilots paycheck by $40k per year as well as just about every QOL contractual benefit we've ever negotiated. He was just the tool that was used to grant the company nearly everything they had asked for.

Don't forget we were within $1 of the Big D prior to their latest pay raise.

What's ROIC? (I'm another outsider)

Sounds like the mgmt. realized the error of their ways. Read this afternoons Negotiators notepad. Possible AIC on a 5 year contract.

I read the same but didn't see anything regarding an increase in scope protection. Skywest has those 100 seat jets coming and we have the weakest scope protection in the industry. Between that and the 400's & 700's going away its a pretty easy deduction what they want to do.

5 year deal?!? Hope it's a good one. We shall see:confused:.

Return On Invested Capital...I think.

Winning! I've got tiger blood!

Learn from your brothers/sisters at Delta. The company said the turnip had been squeezed as much as it could be and the union sold the pilots on that. Now mysteriously billions more are coming out of the woodwork after the contract was ratified. Oh yeah the productivity gains we gave them stalled hiring for a couple more years. Watch and learn obi one.

No need to explain productivity gains to an Alaska pilot. We already went through that on the the last contract. We have about 100 fewer pilots than in '06, but about 10 more airplanes. How does that math work?

I'll be so disappointed if a contract gets passed without major changes to this. Given the history of scope issues at other airlines, Alaska is not by any means safe from this kind of thing. In fact, like Aspilot said, I think that's their plan. So why not save some mainline jobs?

Then you will be disappointed. TA will pass. Pussies far out weigh balls here!

You're making me want to apply to work there

Well then you guys are a perfect fit for the rumored SW marriage :(

Only if SWA let's us have all the KLBB layovers:rolleyes:

Got $4.6 Billion sitting around?

If I did I sure wouldn't buy an airline.

More like $6B. You think these shareholders would sell without a premium? Even if they did a stock swap, ALK would command a premium. Would the persuing company retain the same ROIC after inevitably modifying the business model? Doubtful.

Don't look now guys, but did you notice the picture next to the contract story on Alaskas world? A SkyWest CA in a leased CRJ!! REALLY!?!

Maybe it's a little foreshadowing about the terms of the contract...

I'm seeing an HGS screen when I go on there...but please share if it is, that is just too funny.

They took it down pretty soon after my post. Should've taken a screen shot. Idiot! Just kind of ironic from a pilots point of view. I'm positive there was no ill will from the company. Whoever is in charge of loading the splash page probably can't tell the difference between an rj cockpit and a 73 cockpit.

"No ill will" vs "now ill will" are pretty different meanings!

Good one! Freudian slip? I'll fix it.

According to the ALPA email I just got, Alaska pilots just reached an AIP for a new contract after it has only been ammendable for a month and a half! Way to go. Please tell us your secret. It has taken us 4 years to get one!

Simple really, just settle for half what everyone expects and let the MEC endorse it.

I hope I'm wrong.

Because SWA is going to buy Alaskan and give them all a raise.

I don't think South Western Airlines will do that:rolleyes:
fbh

Wanted to buy a Mercedes but could only afford a Hyundai. After purchasing a Hyundai, buyer's remorse set in and could not forget the Mercedes. The problem is, Corndog spent half of his wad on a Hyundai and Mercedes is now just a wet dream.

I'm not too sure SWA has enough bucks or stock value to swallow the poison pill that AK has. Additionally they are still at least a year away from completing the current merger.

All that being said, I hope the NC got some much tighter scope language this time, airline industry M&A ain't over yet...

I would guess that scope will get trumped by M&A. There's only so much money to go around and I think the greater concern is Merger protection versus Scope. Just a guess though.

[QUOTE=mike734;1409385]Simple really, just settle for half what everyone expects and let the MEC endorse it.

If your MEC comes out with the hard sell and starts touting "time value of money", "the scope language is a big win", and "we urge you to vote yes on this TA"...read carefully before you vote. ;)