Dealing with SCABS...
05-09-2013 | 06:42 AM
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That's a new twist on the definition.
As you know, our Union's President (Prater, or was it Woerth ?) welcomed the Continental scabs back into the Union with cake and a party. Didn't seem to bug him too much.
I have flown with one scab. He was a miserable SOB, in fact the only pilot I've not gotten along with in nearly 25 years of flying multi crew aircraft. He later tuned over a new leaf, got back into ALPA and served well as a Committee Chair. Turned out to be a good guy in the long run.
As you know, our Union's President (Prater, or was it Woerth ?) welcomed the Continental scabs back into the Union with cake and a party. Didn't seem to bug him too much.
I have flown with one scab. He was a miserable SOB, in fact the only pilot I've not gotten along with in nearly 25 years of flying multi crew aircraft. He later tuned over a new leaf, got back into ALPA and served well as a Committee Chair. Turned out to be a good guy in the long run.
05-09-2013 | 06:47 AM
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Strike will be unlikely at the Big 3.....
05-09-2013 | 06:48 AM
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Otto Pilot,
You and I are on the same page. I think based on the definitions you provided, the official meaning is someone who crosses a picket line, whereas the one who engages in lower than union wages is more slangy and possibly a bit of a stretch.
If we went with the slangy term, again - we'd be calling JB and VA pilots scabs.
Again - both actions are incredibly harmful to the profession... but the argument can be made that crossing a picket line is MUCH lower and more despicable than "working for less than union wages" - the latter of which many union and non-union airlines have engaged over the last several years.
You and I are on the same page. I think based on the definitions you provided, the official meaning is someone who crosses a picket line, whereas the one who engages in lower than union wages is more slangy and possibly a bit of a stretch.
If we went with the slangy term, again - we'd be calling JB and VA pilots scabs.
Again - both actions are incredibly harmful to the profession... but the argument can be made that crossing a picket line is MUCH lower and more despicable than "working for less than union wages" - the latter of which many union and non-union airlines have engaged over the last several years.
05-09-2013 | 06:55 AM
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The IACP was started by pilots who included some scabs and allowed them to be members. When ALPA and the IACP merged ALPA had to accept all IACP members as their members. CAL scabs are ALPA members because of the IACP.
05-09-2013 | 07:01 AM
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Depends.... read Jack London. There is a mindset, that is anti capitalist, that says you don't keep undercutting... when does it end? And we see this talk on this forum.. about the race to the bottom in the pilot profession.....
ALPA wasn't going to reject ALL of CAL coming back on the scab issue. The CAL in house union made scabs valid members and by US Labor law, when a union takes over another they have to accept all members...
SCABS don't turn over a new leaf... and CAL ALPA should be chided for allowing SCABS into committee positions.... that is like saying a pedophile turned over a new leaf and its ok to let him take your kid to the park..... probably worse than eating cake with scabs is letting scabs serve in ALPA positions...
ALPA wasn't going to reject ALL of CAL coming back on the scab issue. The CAL in house union made scabs valid members and by US Labor law, when a union takes over another they have to accept all members...
SCABS don't turn over a new leaf... and CAL ALPA should be chided for allowing SCABS into committee positions.... that is like saying a pedophile turned over a new leaf and its ok to let him take your kid to the park..... probably worse than eating cake with scabs is letting scabs serve in ALPA positions...
05-09-2013 | 07:04 AM
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not saying it isn't awkward but they did bring the pilots back in.
05-09-2013 | 08:23 AM
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Here's all I gotta say about this.. I was in freakin middle school when all that went down at CAL. My badge says United now and we will all soon wear the same uniform.. I treat every capt on a case by case.. Some of them are really decent guys and some are effin weirdos. I don't condone what they did, but it's not my business to bring up some bs from 1983 with them. Just take each guy one at a time and enjoy your job, guys. If a capt is pretty bad, put him on your no fly or call in sick like the others said. Usually the bad ones are the dorks who find ways not to pay dues nowadays... I think that's messed up and I have one of those guys on my no fly.
You clowns who get all up in arms about this need to calm down if you weren't actually there on the damn picket line back in 83.. We had 99% on the strike vote and I believe we would of had ZERO problems if we struck here and NOW in 2013. Great! can we all move on with our lives now?!
You clowns who get all up in arms about this need to calm down if you weren't actually there on the damn picket line back in 83.. We had 99% on the strike vote and I believe we would of had ZERO problems if we struck here and NOW in 2013. Great! can we all move on with our lives now?!
05-09-2013 | 08:36 AM
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If it's about lower wages you need to include the senior FedEx and UPS pilots for their pay rates back in the 1980's. And then there's the commuter pilots. And the A- pay scalers. And the B scalers.
Where does it stop???
Where does it stop???
05-09-2013 | 08:38 AM
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NO. I don't care when any scab crossed a picket line. It's never over. Sorry, a scab is a scab til death. Never forget, never forgive.
05-09-2013 | 08:44 AM
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I'm just so tired of hearing you certain guys talk about it so much.. I sit over there in my seat shaking my head. They are all gonna be gone in 5 years or so...I just don't give a eff anymore to talk about it
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