After all these years, let’s see how many (forget the Amerijet and Spirit strikes) after EAL went on strike??? 24 years??? why the query? This topic has been covered over the years too. Clearly, based on the aircraft you've flown, assuming you are a line captain, you can't be a virgin at having less than desirables of any ilk in your right seat.

Anyway, regardless of who you are paired up with... Keep it professional, keep it safe and don’t compromise your position. At the end of the day, you it is not incumbent upon you to have a beer or dinner whilst on layovers with any undesirable, regardless of their ilk, you are paired with during your sequence.

 

I don't believe that falls into the definition of "scab." Using that definition, then, would make Jetblue and Virgin America pilots scabs.

Is it bad for industry, definitely.. but not down to the same level as crossing a picket line.

 

Actually there have been several RLA strikes since Eastern.
Facts.......RLA Strikes since I began in the industry

Continental Pilots (ALPA almost 2 years) 1984
Pan Am (CSA for 1 day) 1984
Alaska Mechanics (IAM 92 days) 1985
United Pilots (ALPA 29 days) 1985
TWA FA's (72 days) 1986

RLA Strikes Since 1989 Eastern:

Eastern IAM supported by Pilots (ALPA for 2 years) in 1989
USair Mechanics (IAM for 5 days) in 1993 USAir MEC opted not to support
American Flight Attendants (APFA for 5 days) in 1994
American Pilots (1/2 (5 days) hour) 1997
ComAir Pilot Strike (89 days) 1998
Skyway Airlines (90 min) 1998
Northwest Pilots (ALPA 15 days) 1998
Polar Pilots (17 Days) 2000
Northwest Mechanics (AMFA for 416 days) 2005
World Airways 2006
Amerijet Pilots (IBT for 17 days) 2006
Spirit Air Pilot (ALPA for 5 days) 2010

 

This whole thread causes the question; what is the definition of "Union wage" in the airline industry? (Not at you aa73) I don't quite understand the logic of tying a specific group wage to whether or not the group as a whole would be considered "scabs".

One of the above posters had it right. The term is thrown around way too loosely.

S

 

This is a book that my kid had in his preschool. It might offer you some advice. I think it's available on Amazon.

 

This really cracks me up. Of course he would become a good union guy. He crossed a line and got rewarded with a job that he couldn't have gotten in the first place and now wants the union to protect that job so it doesn't happen to him.

 

Scabs have been called many things by many people during the course of labor history but Jack London’s description of the scab, “written with barbed wire on sandpaper,” easily dwarfs all others.


“After God had finished the rattlesnake, the toad, the vampire, He had some awful substance left with which He made a scab.


A scab is a two-legged animal with a cork-screw soul, a water-logged brain, a combination backbone of jelly and glue. Where others have hearts, he carries a tumor of rotten principles.


When a scab comes down the street, men turn their backs and angels weep in heaven, and the Devil shuts the gates of Hell to keep him out.


No man has a right to scab so long as there is a pool of water to drown his carcass in, or a rope long enough to hang his body with. Judas Iscariot was a gentleman compared with a scab. For betraying his master, he had character enough to hang himself. A scab has not.


Esau sold his birthright for a mess of pottage. Judas Iscariot sold his Savior for thirty pieces of silver. Benedict Arnold sold his country for a promise of a commission in the British Army. The modern strikebreaker sells his birthright, his country, his wife, his children and his fellow men for an unfulfilled promise from his employer, trust or corporation.


Esau was a traitor to himself: Judas Iscariot was a traitor to his God; Benedict Arnold was a traitor to his country; a strikebreaker is a traitor to his God, his country, his wife, his family and his class.”

 

Definition: scab

Part of Speech Definition
Noun 1. Someone who works (or provides workers) during a strike.[Wordnet]
2. The crustlike surface of a healing skin lesion.[Wordnet]
3. An incrustation over a sore, wound, vesicle, or pustule, formed by the drying up of the discharge from the diseased part.[Websters]
4. The itch in man; also, the scurvy.[Websters]
5. The mange, esp. when it appears on sheep.[Websters]
6. A disease of potatoes producing pits in their surface, caused by a minute fungus (Tiburcinia Scabies).[Websters]
7. A slight irregular protuberance which defaces the surface of a casting, caused by the breaking away of a part of the mold.[Websters]
8. A mean, dirty, paltry fellow.[Websters]
9. A nickname for a workman who engages for lower wages than are fixed by the trades unions; also, for one who takes the place of a workman on a strike.[Websters].
Verb 1. Form a scab; "the wounds will eventually scab".[Wordnet]
2. Take the place of work of someone on strike.[Wordnet]
3. To become covered with a scab; as, the wound scabbed over.[Websters]
4. Base verb from the following inflections: scabbing, scabbed, scabs, scabber, scabbers, scabbingly and scabbedly.[Eve - graph theoretic]


1: Noun. Source: Linguistic 101 students at the University of Oregon. Definition: A person who works non-union. Context: Used by union construction workers to talk about the non-union workers. Social Source: Construction Workers. Source: Compiled by The University of Oregon. (additional references)
2: Noun. Source: Linguistic 101 students at the University of Oregon. Definition: A scab is a worker, typically a non-union employee, that works in place of a striking worker. Context: This term would be used by union employees, during a strike, to refer to replacement workers. Social Source: SEIU-OPEU Local 085 Union Members. Source: Compiled by The University of Oregon. (additional references)
Slang in 1811 SCAB. A worthless man or woman. Source: 1811 Dictionary of the Vulgar Tongue.
Wiktionary 1: [Noun] (botany) Any one of various more or less destructive fungus diseases attacking cultivated plants, and forming dark-colored crustlike spots. (references)
2: [Noun] (colloquial or obsolete) The scabies. (references)
3: [Noun] (founding) A slight irregular protuberance which defaces the surface of a casting, caused by the breaking away of a part of the mold. (references)
4: [Noun] (slang) A strikebreaker. (references)
5: [Noun] (slang) A worker who works for less than the rate fixed by the trade union. (references)
6: [Noun] A mean, dirty, paltry fellow. (references)
7: [Noun] An incrustation over a sore, wound, vesicle, or pustule, formed during healing. (references)
8: [Noun] Several different diseases of potatoes producing pits and other damage on their surface, caused by Streptomyces -bacteria. (references)
9: [Noun] Short form for common scab, a relatively harmless variety of scab caused by Streptomyces scabies. (references)
10: [Noun] The mange, especially when it appears on sheep. 1882: Scab was the terror of the sheep farmer, and the peril of his calling. � James Edwin Thorold Rogers, A History of Agriculture and Prices in England, Volume 4, p. 306. (references)
11: [Verb] (intransitive) To act as strikebreaker. (references)
12: [Verb] (intransitive) To get covered by a scab. (references)

 

Actually, it is part of the definition of a scab. Most choose to ignore that part.

 

What really bothers me with the CAL scabs is that they crossed in 1983-5, started the IACP, became ALPA, were forgiven, and now can hold widebody captain positions and union positions.

What does this tell the younger generation of pilots?

"Go ahead and cross a picket line, it will work out well and there is no downside."