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EMBFlyer 05-30-2013 04:27 AM


Originally Posted by captjns (Post 1418110)

Original 767's with F/E panels designed for old United Airlines. They made it to Ansett Airlines of Australia. Talk about a bare overhead panel.

Ansett AN22 Flight Deck 14 June 1987 - YouTube

scroll through the movie to catch the overhead panel and F/E's panel

Wasn't it Wien and United that kept Engineers in 737-200s into the 70s and 80s respectively?

Bucking Bar 05-30-2013 04:32 AM


Originally Posted by RhinoPherret (Post 1418240)
Since I was a major guru back in the day of the X-15 program (one also aimed during that time to fly in century series aircraft like the F-104, F-105, and even further into the MOL program and Gemini), it is great to know your friend was so involved with these aircraft and programs.

Two very special folks that thrived and lived during a very fascinating era of aviation.

Tell us your story.

The X-15 program was amazing, but, what was even more amazing was that Kelly Johnson was telling them in three years operational fighters would exceed the performance of the X-15. Everyone thought Johnson was nuts. Of course, only Johnson and a few others knew about the then secret A-12 / SR-71. (not that the A-12 got close to the X-15's absolute altitude and speed, but from 70,000 to 85,000 it operated at a higher IAS)

My favorite X-15 stories had to be the flights where they lost their APUs and lost telemetry at Mach 3+ ... the pilots sometimes diverted ... but to where? The Air Force could only fly around looking for their pilot and aircraft.

The thermodynamisist who worked for Johnson has been out in Reno for the last 15 to 20 years making those things the fastest prop driven aircraft on the planet by removing cooling drag.

Again, these people tend to be explorers, not historians. I hope someone gets that guy's life's story down while it is possible.

Bucking Bar 05-30-2013 04:33 AM


Originally Posted by EMBFlyer (Post 1418246)
He had a very strange career progression. He goes from TWA mechanic to Vice President of Operations for Columbia Airlines, 5 years later. Then 2 years later, he's a consultant for the world's richest art collector. 2 years after that, he's a Captain on Concorde. Wow.

Huh?

Flying the Concorde for who?

Braniff had a few Concorde pilots running around who ended up with other airlines in the US.

The highest time F14 driver in the World is a Captain at Delta. He worked production flight test for Grumman and used to take off and intercept the Concorde coming across the Atlantic to test the F14's.

EMBFlyer 05-30-2013 04:40 AM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1418251)
Huh?

Flying the Concorde for who?

Braniff had a few Concorde pilots running around who ended up with other airlines in the US.

The highest time F14 driver in the World is a Captain at Delta. He worked production flight test for Grumman and used to take off and intercept the Concorde coming across the Atlantic to test the F14's.

We're talking about Joe Patroni. See pictures above.

Bucking Bar 05-30-2013 04:52 AM


Originally Posted by EMBFlyer (Post 1418247)
Wasn't it Wien and United that kept Engineers in 737-200s into the 70s and 80s respectively?

The 737-800 needs a flight engineer to manage the temp controls.

The MD88 requires more engineers than the space shuttle to keep it running. American & Delta home schools their engineers and calls them First Officers. A good FO knows how to open bleed valves as skillfully as any FE ever managed the mixture and turbosupercharger on a 2800. Ground telemetry is analysed by TRACON; course and attitude corrections are then radio'd to those intrepid test pilots who fly that thing on the ragged edge of controlled flight until it's limited endurance is exhausted and it is recovered. Then the tiles and turbomuffleadiator bearings are lubed and it is sent back on a return trajectory. Like the X-15, the aerodynamic flight controls lose effectiveness near apogee and shock waves do unexpected things. Neither aircraft has brakes, but skids well.

There's a reason McDonnell Douglas' corporate emblem was a lawn dart. Have you seen our unit patch?

fireman0174 05-30-2013 05:48 AM


Originally Posted by EMBFlyer (Post 1418247)
Wasn't it Wien and United that kept Engineers in 737-200s into the 70s and 80s respectively?

I don't know about Wien, but United certainly did, and I believe Western also had 737 S/Os.

dalad 05-30-2013 05:59 AM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1418251)
Huh?

Flying the Concorde for who?

Braniff had a few Concorde pilots running around who ended up with other airlines in the US.

The highest time F14 driver in the World is a Captain at Delta. He worked production flight test for Grumman and used to take off and intercept the Concorde coming across the Atlantic to test the F14's.

Would that be Hollywood? If it is, great guy.

EMBFlyer 05-30-2013 06:16 AM


Originally Posted by fireman0174 (Post 1418283)

I don't know about Wien, but United certainly did, and I believe Western also had 737 S/Os.

I think Wien ended up going on strike over it in the late 70s.

Justdoinmyjob 05-30-2013 06:18 AM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1418251)
Huh?

Flying the Concorde for who?

You know the guy. Looks remarkably like George Kennedy. Only guy to ever fly a Concorde inverted while firing a flare gun out the side window at mach 2 to decoy the missle chasing him.

See?

http://www.snubian.com/images/airport79flare.jpg

They made a movie about it. Maybe you've seen it?

http://www.impawards.com/1979/poster..._nine_ver2.jpg

:D

Bucking Bar 05-30-2013 06:28 AM


Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob (Post 1418300)
You know the guy. Looks remarkably like George Kennedy. Only guy to ever fly a Concorde inverted while firing a flare gun out the side window at mach 2 to decoy the missle chasing him.

See?

http://www.snubian.com/images/airport79flare.jpg

They made a movie about it. Maybe you've seen it?

http://www.impawards.com/1979/poster..._nine_ver2.jpg

:D

He must have trained in the MD88. Skillz


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