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LNL76 08-25-2013 10:37 AM

I've heard 80-100 quit in the last few months. That's what you get when you hire young and inexperienced in the industry. Being assigned NYC base is a deal-breaker for some and the illusions of 40 hour intl layovers when the reality is domestic ones causes this to happen. They're hiring again and invited some who were rejected several months ago to September training. I also hear they're adding to those numbers before the really big hiring (1,000-2,000 if the rumors are true).

Mesabah 08-25-2013 11:10 AM


Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1469859)
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Originally Posted by XtremeF150 http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/im...s/viewpost.gif
I think you were close on your first post. I remember reading we had some 50,000 applicants for those jobs. How many you think most employers get when they announce hiring?
So I think your right about it being extremely competitive. For the others that are worried it is a bad place to work...Well that's easy, this is America so your free to sit on your ass and get free health care, a phone and a little walking around money, all paid for by the nanny state federal government.


fyp.......

If you look at what a regional Captain makes, take home after taxes, it is very comparable to what someone makes on a full welfare package. That said, I can never understand why anyone would want to take a job as a flight attendant, when welfare pays solidly more money, and you're home every night.

JoeyMeatballs 08-25-2013 11:43 AM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 1469875)
If you look at what a regional Captain makes, take home after taxes, it is very comparable to what someone makes on a full welfare package.

GMAFB, you guys voted in favor over 85% to make less

Softpayman 08-25-2013 02:41 PM

Yeah speak for yourself if you're a RJ CA making that sort of wage. Many do just fine on RJ Captain pay, not a killing but not what you make it out to be. Last year my buddies and I (similar seniority) were making anywhere from the mid 80's to around 100k.

china clipper 08-25-2013 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by 701EV
Richard Dick Anderson is Scumbag!!!


Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1468807)
Do you work for him? I do. He's the best CEO we've had in decades. You sound like a jilted lover.

My vote goes to Jerry Grinstein and Anderson comes second. Then you really have to go back decades to find another good one.

Elvis90 08-25-2013 05:57 PM


Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1468807)
Do you work for him? I do. He's the best CEO we've had in decades. You sound like a jilted lover.

I'll second Buzz. RA is the smartest, most effective CEO that we've had in decades. I'm a very skeptical person, but he does things consistently that treat Delta employees and customers right.

I can't say that he treats DCI or DGS necessarily the same, but that's a choice for the people who work for those companies. He drives a hard bargain.

Softpayman 08-25-2013 06:14 PM


Originally Posted by Elvis90 (Post 1470090)

I can't say that he treats DCI or DGS necessarily the same, but that's a choice for the people who work for those companies. He drives a hard bargain.

For all intents and purposes he is the leader of DCI. Those (DCI)are front line employees that represent the brand as much as a mainline crewmembers. He effectively drives down his bottom 1/3 employees to help prop up the rest. It would be genius if only that bottom 1/3 gave a crap. At this point they don't and it hurts the brand.

Scoop 08-25-2013 06:23 PM


Originally Posted by Elvis90 (Post 1470090)
I'll second Buzz. RA is the smartest, most effective CEO that we've had in decades. I'm a very skeptical person, but he does things consistently that treat Delta employees and customers right.

I can't say that he treats DCI or DGS necessarily the same, but that's a choice for the people who work for those companies. He drives a hard bargain.



Elvis/Buzz,

RA may be the best CEO in the industry - I hope so and time will tell, but I agree that DAL deserves a very low score in any "brand" survey." But then again so do all legacy carriers.

My logic follows starting with a pretty generic definition of "Brand" off of Wikipedia.

Brand is the "name, term, design, symbol, or any other feature that identifies one seller's product distinct from those of other sellers"[1]

How can Deltas product be "distinct" when a DAL ticket may result in flying on any number of subcontractors all chosen primarily on cost?

Delta Air Lines reliance on subcontractors is the antithesis of branding.

Hopefully RA can improve the brand image of Delta. I don't know if we deserve to be last but we definitely have plenty of room for improvement.

Scoop

Elvis90 08-25-2013 06:30 PM


Originally Posted by Softpayman (Post 1470092)
For all intents and purposes he is the leader of DCI. Those (DCI)are front line employees that represent the brand as much as a mainline crewmembers. He effectively drives down his bottom 1/3 employees to help prop up the rest. It would be genius if only that bottom 1/3 gave a crap. At this point they don't and it hurts the brand.

If I had my druthers, DCI would say Skywest, Expressjet, etc. as a codeshare like we do with Alaska Airlines, because that's really what it is. DCI has contracts with other majors as well; they're all independent companies.

If I truly had my way, we wouldn't have any DCI and you'd be a Delta Seniority List pilot.

Columbia 08-25-2013 06:36 PM


Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 1470095)
Elvis/Buzz,

RA may be the best CEO in the industry - I hope so and time will tell, but I agree that DAL deserves a very low score in any "brand" survey." But then again so do all legacy carriers.

My logic follows. Here is a pretty generic definition of "Brand" off of Wikipedia.

Brand is the "name, term, design, symbol, or any other feature that identifies one seller's product distinct from those of other sellers"[1]

How can Deltas product be "distinct" when a DAL ticket may result in flying on any number of subcontractors all chosen primarily on cost?

Delta Air Lines reliance on subcontractors is the antithesis of branding.

Hopefully RA can improve the brand image of Delta. I don't know if we deserve to be last but we definitely have plenty of room for improvement.

Scoop

The only way scores will increase is if fares drop and baggage fees go away.


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