Majors and pilots needed for 2014
09-28-2013 | 05:28 AM
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09-28-2013 | 09:02 AM
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Don't forget the wave of 2001-2003 military guys that were picked up are all hitting the end of their commitment. I'm floored by the number of guys getting out from those I've talked to.
How many estimated?
Estimates are funny and inaccurate. Some guys are leaving because of the job market on the outside picking up, but at least for the Navy, they're leaving because they're not getting promoted. The end of their commitment coincides with the O-4 board, which for the last two years has only been promoting 60% of their aviators.
Originally Posted by Grumble View Post
Don't forget the wave of 2001-2003 military guys that were picked up are all hitting the end of their commitment. I'm floored by the number of guys getting out from those I've talked to.
How many estimated?
Estimates are funny and inaccurate. Some guys are leaving because of the job market on the outside picking up, but at least for the Navy, they're leaving because they're not getting promoted. The end of their commitment coincides with the O-4 board, which for the last two years has only been promoting 60% of their aviators.
09-29-2013 | 05:48 AM
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We will definitely have attrition. I'll start my 2nd yr in a couple months and I know guys that are 2 years senior to me trying desperately to get on at DL and UAL. Somewhat surprising considering they're likely within 6-8 months of upgrade. This job is way better than my last regional!
09-29-2013 | 08:57 AM
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Estimates are funny and inaccurate. Some guys are leaving because of the job market on the outside picking up, but at least for the Navy, they're leaving because they're not getting promoted. The end of their commitment coincides with the O-4 board, which for the last two years has only been promoting 60% of their aviators.
Estimates are funny and inaccurate. Some guys are leaving because of the job market on the outside picking up, but at least for the Navy, they're leaving because they're not getting promoted. The end of their commitment coincides with the O-4 board, which for the last two years has only been promoting 60% of their aviators.
09-29-2013 | 07:37 PM
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I only wish the Army had a 60% selection rate. For the last 2 years in a row the promotions rate to CW5 has been 20% and when you look at the fixed wing numbers it is less than 10%. That is why I am getting out, I did not invest in enough knee-pads to make a 10% cut.
09-29-2013 | 10:32 PM
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I am fine right where I'm at, but there are probably a significant number of pilots currently flying overseas who have been timing a homecoming around a big hiring push.
Guys I've talked to in both seats express an interest in various majors, I think even the first officers could be competitive with thousands of hours in narrow and wide bodies flying to all corners of the globe vs. a guy pushing an RJ up and down the eastern seaboard all day with competent ATC (not a judgement, I did it for many years). I just know I would be pretty damn entertaining during the "Tell me about a time" questioning.
Anyways, point being you should factor a few hundred or so of them into your potential interviewee pool.
Guys I've talked to in both seats express an interest in various majors, I think even the first officers could be competitive with thousands of hours in narrow and wide bodies flying to all corners of the globe vs. a guy pushing an RJ up and down the eastern seaboard all day with competent ATC (not a judgement, I did it for many years). I just know I would be pretty damn entertaining during the "Tell me about a time" questioning.
Anyways, point being you should factor a few hundred or so of them into your potential interviewee pool.
09-30-2013 | 05:17 AM
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I think the big message is, barring unforeseen economic or military events, a well qualified pilot should have an opportunity to interview at their choice of airline within the next 3-4 years.
10-02-2013 | 06:41 AM
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I'd like to get an idea of what the total # of pilots needed by Majors for 2014. Here's what I have so far:
Delta: 500-600
Southwest: 200
Spirit: 300?
Jetblue: 200?
American/UsAir: ????
United: 600
Frontier? Alaska? Hawian? Atlas?
Who am I forgetting? Any idea on the #s for USAir/American?
Roughly 2000-2500 is my best guess...if so, that equates to approxomately 10% of the regional pilots...20%ish of the CAs...25%+ of hireable CAs who want to leave. These #s are guestimates at best...feel free to correct/disagree
Delta: 500-600
Southwest: 200
Spirit: 300?
Jetblue: 200?
American/UsAir: ????
United: 600
Frontier? Alaska? Hawian? Atlas?
Who am I forgetting? Any idea on the #s for USAir/American?
Roughly 2000-2500 is my best guess...if so, that equates to approxomately 10% of the regional pilots...20%ish of the CAs...25%+ of hireable CAs who want to leave. These #s are guestimates at best...feel free to correct/disagree
USAA: 600
Frontier: 200ish
So, as far as we can tell from plans, around 3500 will be hired...good, but not great...the last major hiring boom I remember is 2007...anyone know the approximate # hired at that time?
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