ColdWhiskey

Attention Mr. Craig Moffatt,

As a Frontier pilot that has paid thousands (against my will) to your IBT 357, I am asking that you represent my fellow Frontier pilots and my interests, and stop your assault on Frontier Airlines.

I am publicly asking you to stop your attempts to sabatoge the sale of Frontier Airlines to Indigo. I am asking that you drop your lawsuits against RAH and FAPA Invest regarding LOA 67. I am asking that you stop your attempts to keep the IMSL list if Frontier is sold.

I have made personal investments career wise and financially in Frontier Airlines, and I don't appreciate you attempting to take that from me. It disgusts me that you are using my own money against me and my fellow pilot's interests.

I personally know several RAH pilots, and without exception, none of them approve of your actions regarding your assault on Frontier.

So I ask you this? Whose interests are you representing? You are certainly not representing the wishes and desires of your membership.

embraerjetpilot

Hmm. I really doubt Craig visits this board.

I have not seen them attempt to stop the sale. But then again maybe it's a little payback for the 300 or so crew members that your fapa worked very hard to get sent back to the east coast.

But think about it this way... Fapa invest is really nothing different than an alter ego union. How could any union leader not try to stop that?

toomanyrjs

*** are you babbling about? Go back to the welfare line. Oops, your food stamps might be a little late with the shutdown and all.

Mojito

Are you kidding? This clown can't even pass a regional airline checkride. And it's not the first time either. He had to sue to get his previous job back as well. This guy's a total joke. You expect him to take your letter seriously? He's to dense to upgrade on an aircraft he'd been flying as an FO, yet we expect him to make good decisions?! Good luck with that!!

Elliot

You offer NOTHING, absolutely ZERO substance to this forum.

Why the moderator's have even allowed you to continue to post this garbage is beyond me, but then again, this forum definitely isn't the pinnacle of knowledge & transference of accurate information.

Keep up the hate for anything Republic. <sarcasm> It's not your fault you ended up at a 3rd tier (glorified) "regional" airline like Midwest. <sarcasm>

FAULTPUSH

You'll have to explain that one to me. FAPA had no interest at all in sending anyone to anywhere in particular.

Let's assume, for argument's sake, that FAPA Invest IS a union. So what? As an example, I am a member of FAPA (the union), and pay dues to FAPA, and get some benefits from that membership (free hot wings and beer was the last benefit I received). That doesn't for a second mean that they are my bargaining representative, which I think is where your insinuation is headed.

Regarding FAPA Invest, it is definitely not a union - I pay them no dues, have no vote, they have never fed me, have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with my job, and I do not expect them in any way to negotiate anything at all about my pay, work rules, or anything else to do with my job. That doesn't smell like a union to me, OR like a bargaining representative. It does, however, sound more like my 401k account with Schwab, especially in that the only thing they are doing for me is attempting to maximize the return on my $100,000 investment in Frontier.

embraerjetpilot

Just in a different form fault push. You took concessions to get that 100000 investment

sizzlechest

So IBT should represent just the F9 interests and ignore the DFR for the entire IMSL? The IMSL is what it is. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. IBT should ignore FAPInvest operating as a bargaining rep. for the F9 pilots which appears to be illegal? You are the only one who has made personal investments career-wise and financially in Frontier? Not RAH pilots who worked to make RAH the money to buy F9? Be careful saying "fellow pilots" when you really mean ONLY F9 pilots... it's incorrect. You may know many RAH pilots but not all so don't infer that their belief is the belief of everyone on the IMSL. It would appear IBT is attempting to keep people honest WRT to representation and ethical business practice. IBT is also attempting to prevent a dangerous precedent from being set which would affect the organized industry. Your final sentence is in conflict with what you said before... which is it?

zoooropa

Exactly, it is a list of names that has not been implemented yet. The IMSL has not been used to fill any vacancies to date, and it will not be used to fill any vacancies until August 27th 2018. There is a seven year fence that protects the rights of Frontier pilots in Airbus aircraft along with the rights of RAH pilots in E145, E170 and E175 aircraft.

RAH has been filling vacancies off the street for several years now, yet Moffat and the IBT have said nothing about the 190 and Q400 vacancies (both of these aircraft are not protected by the fence).

Frontier has filled more than one vacancy per the Frontier CBA, NOT the IMSL, yet Moffat and the IBT said nothing.

Now, all of a sudden, when F9 is purchased by a separate entity and Moffat and the IBT see their windfall Award disappearing before their eyes, they launch a full-scale attack and claim the IMSL is somehow controlling and Frontier should not hire off the street. They also sent "notice" to Indigo regarding the LOA 67 lawsuit in an attempt to scare off the investor. Indigo didn't even blink and proceeded on course, realizing the notification was just the IBT being the IBT. The ironic thing about the IBT LOA 67 notice is the fact that separation renders the entire lawsuit moot. The entire litigation has been a complete waste of time and money, yet the IBT continues to call the LOA an "illegal" agreement.

FAPAInvest is not "bargaining". I don't know why this is so hard for Moffat and the IBT to understand. FAPAInvest has nothing to do with labor or the RLA. Specifically, the RLA and the designated Agent charged with bargaining deals with "rates of pay, rules, or working conditions". FAPAInvest has nothing to do with "rates of pay, rules or working conditions". FAPAInvest is our Agent with regard to one thing, our investment in F9. The RLA has nothing to do with our investment. The IBT has nothing to do with our investment. The fact that this group of investor happens to also work as airline pilots is meaningless. There are a number of different investors that have thrown their equity into this transaction. Some are professional Private Equity principals that will make one big deposit into RAH's bank account, some are pilots that have been making two smaller deposits every single month. At the end of the day, the Commercial Agreement sees us as investors, not labor.

This isn't an ESOP plan or a benefit controlled by our CBA or the RLA. This isn't an agreement that can't be abrogated via an 1113 filing.

Are you starting to see the difference?

Aero1900

With the sale of Frontier to Indigo, wont the ISL need to be separated and the RAH and F9 pilots go on their separate, merry ways?

What possible way could the seniority list stay together as the two companies separate? I realize that a "demerger" is new to this industry, but I can't possible see how the two companies don't have two completely separate lists.

Am I missing something here?