Purple Drank

Fixed it for you.

Carl Spackler

No chairman can "pull it off" if his own people are fragging him with grenades in his sleeping bag. His mistake was allowing the Moak disciples to stay in the MEC administration in order to maintain continuity and peace. I'm sure he had no idea how far the Moak supporters would go to destroy him and reinsert the Moak puppet O'Malley. If Kingsley wins this, he needs a complete purge of anything Moak.

The other option is for the Moak disciples to be re-fired and Moak disciples on the LEC's to be recalled. Then we might be able to dismantle the top-down dictatorship that Moak built and move in the direction that changed out over half our elected reps.

If you really liked Kingsley and cared about a functioning MEC, you wouldn't have tried the shameless Moak-style tactic you tried. You're interested in neither of those things. You're only interested re-installing Moak disciples because that's how you're bread was/is buttered. Guaranteed.

Carl

zoomiezombie

Not north-south? You need some Moakaway.

Bucking Bar

That's an insult to the so called "proxy." (or proxies)

Every Rep is going to vote their conscience.

This is sort of a winner take all dogfight. Although it is extremely political, there is no clear advantage.

But, it is clear should Kingsley win; the same men who brought this fight will bring it again on the local level, knock out the Reps they need to and call for another vote. Call this Moak Administration what you want, but they are a highly effective, motivated, organized, political action committee.

Most Delta pilots fear going up against them.

They would tell you to look at results and avoid ineffective political wrangling. They treat me like a sworn enemy which makes it difficult to support them, but even I have to look at their work and see that they've been effective. At the end of the day it is "what is best for the Delta pilots." I think the Reps will vote their conscience.

zoomiezombie

ronricco talks about flipping reps to get to 2/3s and make a recall. Isn't that what he's saying or am I missing something?

SharpestTool

Now come on Carl, calm down. When one gets emotional one tosses pragmatism and coherent thought out the window. I said nothing about my brothers and sisters, north or otherwise. I said the reps of my brothers and sisters are playing games.

I also never said that MSP and DTW were behind the recall of Kingsley. They however are behind the recalls of the other 3. Can you deny that? Their names are on the letter. My point is simply that DTW and MSP cannot ever support the former DAL councils. It is highly unlikely that the former DAL councils will support DTW and MSP. There is one 44 rep that has joined them, but many derogatory things are heard about him out on the line. Most hits are along the lines of the lack of imagination. Sounds like another former council 44 FO rep who was simply a "cling on" for a former bunch and found himself as the odd man out. He was a great follower, terrible leader though.

So my point is that the MEC is a house divided. Nothing new there. What is different is the MEC leadership. Moak and O'Malley kept this thing manageable. It has come undone on Kingsley's watch. Whether it is his fault or not is not a concern of mine. It is what it is.

zoomiezombie

That's his issue. Your version called l e a d e r s h i p is what he claims was a meritocratic dictatorship. Carl thinks all delta lec members must have been brain washed disciples for 7 years or whenever Malone left...and that free thought only exists through the enlightening and awesome super wide-bodied power of the northwest lec members.

Carl Spackler

Ease up on the drama Nancy. Nobody said Moak was evil. Moak has strong loyalists on the MEC. This is all about Mr. Moak and his strategies. O'Malley did Lee's bidding to the letter. The result was a majority turnover of the LEC's and O'Malley's removal. Moak doesn't like that. Now he's fighting back.

Yes really. And it's not about USAPA, or DPA or North pilots trying to control things. You know it too. But your orders are scorched earth in nature, and you don't care even if it means trying to drive a wedge between to pilot groups that by and large like each other. You are shameless.

None that I know of, but I haven't seen the letter. More proof that fNWA folks had no role in this other than one attempt at making peace.

You're the one that'll have to try harder. You're far too transparent.

Again, you're half right.

Carl

Bucking Bar

Every Rep I've spoken with understands the seriousness of the situation. Recall of a Master Chairman is rare.

SharpestTool

Sorry Carl, you have proven to me that you are not rational. Please do not be offended by my observation. You are intelligent enough I am sure, but you simply try to reason with emotion. It does not work.

Watch and learn. It will be a painful process, but you will be better for it in the end. You just might be tapping out a post like this yourself someday when some maturity brings clarity and a view of the truth.