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Old 11-13-2013 | 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by DALMD88FO
How does one apply at jetBlue? My wife made a profile but doesn't get anything when she hits the first officer link on the website.
That's all you can do right now. The first officer section will have the job posting once it goes up, which I've heard will be anywhere from next week to January. Just keep checking it, and checking all the JB threads.
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Old 11-13-2013 | 11:03 AM
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And that is AWESOME!!!!!

But just for reference sake,

UAL 777 CA at what would have been the end of Contract 2000 was 316.45. I believe that would have been in 2003.

DAL's pre BK contract would have been 319.61 in 2004.

Those rates will be MORE than 10 years old before new rates are negotiated.

Actually, I'm fairly certain that the DAL Contract 2000 last active B777 CA rate was $337.
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Old 11-13-2013 | 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Actually, I'm fairly certain that the DAL Contract 2000 last active B777 CA rate was $337.
Does it? The chart I have only goes to 2004.

But if it was the 337, that just makes the case STRONGER that even if we se the "330 hour", pilots are STILL way behind rates from 10+ years ago with inflation/COL increases factored in.
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Old 11-13-2013 | 11:27 AM
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Airfare has to go up if we want to see those rates again. 25 Years ago it cost the same amount to fly around this whole big ass country as it does now... In some cases cheaper. Just sayin.
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Old 11-13-2013 | 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by John Carr
Does it? The chart I have only goes to 2004.

But if it was the 337, that just makes the case STRONGER that even if we se the "330 hour", pilots are STILL way behind rates from 10+ years ago with inflation/COL increases factored in.
You're correct. It was $319, with an $8 override for international. Which would make a rate of $327 on international.

And there was a night override of $15 for CAs and $10 for FOs. Sigh......
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Old 11-13-2013 | 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
You're correct. It was $319, with an $8 override for international. Which would make a rate of $327 on international.

And there was a night override of $15 for CAs and $10 for FOs. Sigh......
That night override sure would pay in spades with all night flying we do now...
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Old 11-13-2013 | 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by ghilis101
A very credible check airman there says strong chance of recalls and off the street hiring next quarter. They have been saying this for years so yes its too early to get excited, but I hope they at least recall.
Very credible and check airman doesn't go together at UPS.
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Old 11-13-2013 | 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
That night override sure would pay in spades with all night flying we do now...
No kidding. Red eyes wouldn't be junior. That's for sure.
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Old 11-13-2013 | 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Swedish Blender
Very credible and check airman doesn't go together at UPS.
Zing! We'll find out in a few months. ..
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Old 11-13-2013 | 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by beech1980
Airfare has to go up if we want to see those rates again. 25 Years ago it cost the same amount to fly around this whole big ass country as it does now... In some cases cheaper. Just sayin.
Don't disagree with ANY of that.

I'd have to go through all the UAL's financials from the time the CBA took effect till 9/11.

And I'm sure the pretty charts/graphs would correspond with the increase in labor costs. But I wonder how much it TRULY affected UAL's bottom line?

No matter. I think it was Jake Brace that was asked in 2001 in an interview how well UAL was doing with the increase in labor costs after contract 2000. With downward turn the the economy was taking at that time, he said something along the lines of "we'll be getting that money back out of labor'
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