Was mike one of the 3 guys in the running or was he a write in?

C66 is thanking Van Sickle and Aaron for running, so I conclude Donatelli was the third.

Good. I hope we'll see his figurative boot up flight ops' ass ASAP.
Enough of DALPA's failed "constructive engagement" experiment.

While it might be time for constructive engagement to be modified, it is hardly a failure. Of course I know you disagree. I am not living in the crashpad like my AAL crashpad mates when I bid reserve. I am still making a lot more money than a peer over there, but they were certainly badazzes and held the line... for 10 years.

Have you considered the notion that, by holding the line, they were a major factor in driving the merger that was badly needed to boost their careers?

Oh, and they still have their pensions.

Constructive engagement is working out great here at Delta, where we'll always "get 'em next time."

Hopefully the new guy's ready to mix it up. I'm tired of getting walked on jointly by the company and "my" "union."

Purple, do you have any other material? Your old shtick is really getting tiring.

Sounds like a guy that I can respect. To all those jumping on purple he does have some very good points. First, we should as Delta pilots be very thankful that the APA did hold strong and force the management into a merger with Airways. The merger immediately increases staff costs (pilot costs) as those at Airways get a immediate big bump in pay. Instead of a A A & Airways with drastically lower wage then ours they will be much closer and exceed ours in 2016. Without the merger both A A and Airways would have been a continued drag on current book which would have affected our own negotiations.

The second undisputed aspect of APA campaign was the ability to prevent the company from dumping the current pension for their pilots. Even a outsider can see this as a major win. Of course future pilots will receive a 16% 4 contribution which helps our cause. Even Richard has mentioned that this merger will help the whole industry. A strong industry means hopefully a strong contract/contracts I. The future. Hopefully this new guy is everything people claim he is!

Purp,
For all those guys that don't like to hear your inconvenient truths, I am one that does. I am glad you toned it down, but you make excellent points.

For some perspective:

From: APA Vice President
Date: Friday, November 29, 2013 6:14 AM
To: all American Airlines pilots
Subject: November 29: Two Years Later

November 29: Two Years Later

Two years ago today, we woke up to the news of the AMR bankruptcy. That morning, we also received a "Dear Colleagues" letter from the new CEO, Tom Horton, advising us of the "significant cost disadvantage" he intended to fix through bankruptcy.

Weeks later, Harvey Miller told Bloomberg TV (please also see part two of the interview) that for AMR to survive, there was no option but to terminate employee pension plans. On Feb. 1, 2012, we were presented with an 1113 term sheet, which would have eviscerated our contract and which management insisted it needed in order to survive and be competitive.

In the months that followed, APA made history on many fronts. We learned valuable lessons from pilot groups that had gone through Chapter 11 before us. Prior to bankruptcy, we hired the best bankruptcy attorneys and financial advisers in the industry. When the opportunity to talk with US Airways arose, we engaged and negotiated the historic Conditional Labor Agreement, which changed the course of this bankruptcy. We put together a strategy and then executed that strategy to not only improve our contractual outcome but also replace the management culture that had brought us to this point.

Immediately after the bankruptcy filing, we fielded scores of phone calls and emails from line pilots. These were painful and emotional conversations as pilots reflected on whether they would be able to keep their homes or keep their children in school. We had all seen the scorched-earth path of destruction bankruptcy had inflicted on other pilot groups.


But along the way, other industry developments helped our strategy. The Southwest–AirTran integration led to a sale of 717s to Delta, which led to an expedited new-pilot contract. A new contract at Delta triggered an agreement-in-principal for the pilots at United, which helped improve the market comparisons being used at our negotiating table. In short, the bar was raised, and though sacrifices were made in the way of changes in our productivity, as well as our medical, disability and pension benefits, we did not pull the market down with our bankruptcy/merger contract. Instead, we moved into a position where we will actually assist other pilot groups with pattern bargaining going forward.

Five weeks from now, after an 8 percent pay raise, our hourly pay rates will be 12.3 percent higher than when AMR filed bankruptcy. In January 2015, we will receive another 3 percent raise followed by a January 2016 move to the average of pay rates at Delta and United, which we estimate to be another 15–16 percent improvement. With 3.5 percent raises in 2017 and 2018, our pay rates will be higher than those at Southwest, Delta and United, and our 777 captain rates will be 10–12 percent higher than the highest pay rates currently at FedEx and UPS. Our 16 percent pension contribution will match United and will exceed the 15 percent contribution at Delta. Our vacation-accrual steps improve from the worst in the industry to among the best, which will be especially helpful for our pilots returning from furlough.

We are already off to a positive and cooperative start with the pilots of US Airways, and we look forward to a successful integration of the two pilot groups. And most important, we look forward to sitting down with a new management team, negotiating a Joint Collective Bargaining Agreement and working to change the culture of this airline.

Naturally, as any pilot group would do, we will debate the "woulda coulda shoulda's" for years to come. But today, as the bankruptcy nears a close, we should all be proud of achieving an outcome that puts us in a dramatically better position than any of us imagined two years ago today.

On the day AMR filed Chapter 11, Mr. Horton ended his "Dear Colleagues" letter with the following line:

I am confident that your courage, determination and ingenuity will assure that our company reaffirms its position among the world's premier airlines.

We are sure Mr. Horton had a very different outcome in mind when he wrote that sentence. In a case of powerful irony, we can all be proud of how our "courage, determination and ingenuity" dramatically altered the course of this bankruptcy and the future of this airline.


So who really helped their negotiations?

I certainly don't dismiss PD. I've been reading his posts since he started making coherent arguments. I don't see eye-to-eye with him on a number of issues, but I think his heart actually is in the right place.