New DAL MEC Chairman / MEC / 2 for 2
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What are the impressions of other DAL pilots so far on communications from the MEC via the new Chairman?
I have yet to be convinced that everyone on the MEC is motivated by the same things, but this is encouraging. I've been optimistic about the choice the MEC made in MD, and so far so good, IMO. The two letters have been just about right: smart and cognizant of our the environment we're in (including the company), but focused on the pilots and the gains we must achieve. I've heard enough about the company, and I'm glad we're talking more about us.
It's also interesting to me that he spoke about us as a new group. To be perfectly honest, I don't particularly like or enjoy some of the changes that make me feel like a "hybrid" of two airlines. I'd rather be just Delta. I'd also like to have meals just like Mom used to cook them every night. I'd like to think we didn't go through CH11, or a merger, but we did. There is a lot to contemplate, if you feel a little nostalgic, and you want to think about the integration of two cultures. But so little to be gained, concretely speaking. So part of me didn't particularly enjoy having MD quote the 54 Chairman as saying we're neither one, nor the other. But we do need a MEC that can get us beyond the novelty of the merger, and a Chairman that can articulate this. This is one of the first letters in a long time that makes me feel like there is leadership at the MEC level that has a bit of ambition for us, and requires me to do my part.
Also noteworthy to me is the fact that he elected to visit based on and around the holidays.
So far, then, 2 for 2 on the letters, 3 for 3 if you look at actions and words.
I have yet to be convinced that everyone on the MEC is motivated by the same things, but this is encouraging. I've been optimistic about the choice the MEC made in MD, and so far so good, IMO. The two letters have been just about right: smart and cognizant of our the environment we're in (including the company), but focused on the pilots and the gains we must achieve. I've heard enough about the company, and I'm glad we're talking more about us.
It's also interesting to me that he spoke about us as a new group. To be perfectly honest, I don't particularly like or enjoy some of the changes that make me feel like a "hybrid" of two airlines. I'd rather be just Delta. I'd also like to have meals just like Mom used to cook them every night. I'd like to think we didn't go through CH11, or a merger, but we did. There is a lot to contemplate, if you feel a little nostalgic, and you want to think about the integration of two cultures. But so little to be gained, concretely speaking. So part of me didn't particularly enjoy having MD quote the 54 Chairman as saying we're neither one, nor the other. But we do need a MEC that can get us beyond the novelty of the merger, and a Chairman that can articulate this. This is one of the first letters in a long time that makes me feel like there is leadership at the MEC level that has a bit of ambition for us, and requires me to do my part.
Also noteworthy to me is the fact that he elected to visit based on and around the holidays.
So far, then, 2 for 2 on the letters, 3 for 3 if you look at actions and words.
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What are the impressions of other DAL pilots so far on communications from the MEC via the new Chairman?
I have yet to be convinced that everyone on the MEC is motivated by the same things, but this is encouraging. I've been optimistic about the choice the MEC made in MD, and so far so good, IMO. The two letters have been just about right: smart and cognizant of our the environment we're in (including the company), but focused on the pilots and the gains we must achieve. I've heard enough about the company, and I'm glad we're talking more about us.
It's also interesting to me that he spoke about us as a new group. To be perfectly honest, I don't particularly like or enjoy some of the changes that make me feel like a "hybrid" of two airlines. I'd rather be just Delta. I'd also like to have meals just like Mom used to cook them every night. I'd like to think we didn't go through CH11, or a merger, but we did. There is a lot to contemplate, if you feel a little nostalgic, and you want to think about the integration of two cultures. But so little to be gained, concretely speaking. So part of me didn't particularly enjoy having MD quote the 54 Chairman as saying we're neither one, nor the other. But we do need a MEC that can get us beyond the novelty of the merger, and a Chairman that can articulate this. This is one of the first letters in a long time that makes me feel like there is leadership at the MEC level that has a bit of ambition for us, and requires me to do my part.
Also noteworthy to me is the fact that he elected to visit based on and around the holidays.
So far, then, 2 for 2 on the letters, 3 for 3 if you look at actions and words.
I have yet to be convinced that everyone on the MEC is motivated by the same things, but this is encouraging. I've been optimistic about the choice the MEC made in MD, and so far so good, IMO. The two letters have been just about right: smart and cognizant of our the environment we're in (including the company), but focused on the pilots and the gains we must achieve. I've heard enough about the company, and I'm glad we're talking more about us.
It's also interesting to me that he spoke about us as a new group. To be perfectly honest, I don't particularly like or enjoy some of the changes that make me feel like a "hybrid" of two airlines. I'd rather be just Delta. I'd also like to have meals just like Mom used to cook them every night. I'd like to think we didn't go through CH11, or a merger, but we did. There is a lot to contemplate, if you feel a little nostalgic, and you want to think about the integration of two cultures. But so little to be gained, concretely speaking. So part of me didn't particularly enjoy having MD quote the 54 Chairman as saying we're neither one, nor the other. But we do need a MEC that can get us beyond the novelty of the merger, and a Chairman that can articulate this. This is one of the first letters in a long time that makes me feel like there is leadership at the MEC level that has a bit of ambition for us, and requires me to do my part.
Also noteworthy to me is the fact that he elected to visit based on and around the holidays.
So far, then, 2 for 2 on the letters, 3 for 3 if you look at actions and words.
"....I want your MEC’s position understood by each and every pilot on this property: We believe our PWA to be inviolable, and it only changes by mutual agreement between the pilot’s bargaining agent (ALPA) and Delta Air Lines. Neither side is empowered to unilaterally change the protections afforded us under our contract..............."
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I agree wholeheartedly....and in light of the company's recent shenanigans wrt 117, and I found this message very welcome:
"....I want your MEC’s position understood by each and every pilot on this property: We believe our PWA to be inviolable, and it only changes by mutual agreement between the pilot’s bargaining agent (ALPA) and Delta Air Lines. Neither side is empowered to unilaterally change the protections afforded us under our contract..............."
"....I want your MEC’s position understood by each and every pilot on this property: We believe our PWA to be inviolable, and it only changes by mutual agreement between the pilot’s bargaining agent (ALPA) and Delta Air Lines. Neither side is empowered to unilaterally change the protections afforded us under our contract..............."
#5
I'm encouraged by SOME of his words. But I'm also very discouraged by his failure to articulate a clear objective, i.e. restoration. I'll be amazed if there is any attempt to set the bar much higher than what we experienced with C2012. We've still got essentially the same bunch behind the scenes in DALPA. And from what I've heard, MD doesn't seem to have any intent to change that. Doesn't give me any warm and fuzzy feelings that things will be substantially different going forward.
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I'm encouraged by SOME of his words. But I'm also very discouraged by his failure to articulate a clear objective, i.e. restoration. I'll be amazed if there is any attempt to set the bar much higher than what we experienced with C2012. We've still got essentially the same bunch behind the scenes in DALPA. And from what I've heard, MD doesn't seem to have any intent to change that. Doesn't give me any warm and fuzzy feelings that things will be substantially different going forward.
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While I wanted to see stronger verbage WRT the 117 situation, what has been said so far is acceptable I guess….depending on the results. This is a huge leverage opportunity and whatever we get out of this needs to go directly to those it effects the most. This is mostly a reserve pilot issue and therefore any gain for whatever relief we give towards a mutually workable solution needs to go to reserve pilots, not be used as a piggy bank slush fund for special empires. This will be watched very closely. The end result here needs to make life better for reserrve pilots and not go towards a 6th week of vacation for 26 year pilots or some new way to trip park for double time or whatever.
As for MD, its still way, way too early to criticize in light of everything that's happened to bring his ascension about. And IMO its unfair to be upset that he hasn't jumped out of the gate screaming about a Cadillac-a-month restoration goal. We're not even at the early openers yet. He hasn't even had time to complete the initial base visits and walked right into the company attempting to rewrite our contract by memo to provide relief for something they refused to plan for that they knew was coming for years.
Oh they were smart enough to get that 7th short call, you know, juuuuust for the international categories to provide relief from SC going from 24 to 14 hours…even though domestic pilots for some reason were included in it. Turns out that was a huge relief valve from the realities of 117. For the rest they just issue a memo making up a fantasy leash of 2 hours? Whatever. All eyes on MD right now need to be watching how this plays out. It not only doesn't matter if someone talks "restoration" then allows our contract to be abrogated by management memo, but it would pretty much cancel it out.
As for MD, its still way, way too early to criticize in light of everything that's happened to bring his ascension about. And IMO its unfair to be upset that he hasn't jumped out of the gate screaming about a Cadillac-a-month restoration goal. We're not even at the early openers yet. He hasn't even had time to complete the initial base visits and walked right into the company attempting to rewrite our contract by memo to provide relief for something they refused to plan for that they knew was coming for years.
Oh they were smart enough to get that 7th short call, you know, juuuuust for the international categories to provide relief from SC going from 24 to 14 hours…even though domestic pilots for some reason were included in it. Turns out that was a huge relief valve from the realities of 117. For the rest they just issue a memo making up a fantasy leash of 2 hours? Whatever. All eyes on MD right now need to be watching how this plays out. It not only doesn't matter if someone talks "restoration" then allows our contract to be abrogated by management memo, but it would pretty much cancel it out.
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I agree with Gloopy's post.
I don't have the two letters in front of me, but I thought he spoke about the direction in which we need to go.
Some view the letters through templates so tight, that only their own letters with MD's signature would satisfy them. And let's face it, any one pilot's expectation has the weight of one out of all of us. The group's expectations are a composite, and probably not summarized in buzzwords.
I do suspect the group in general wants much more to show for, in light of our contributions and past sacrifices.
I don't have the two letters in front of me, but I thought he spoke about the direction in which we need to go.
Some view the letters through templates so tight, that only their own letters with MD's signature would satisfy them. And let's face it, any one pilot's expectation has the weight of one out of all of us. The group's expectations are a composite, and probably not summarized in buzzwords.
I do suspect the group in general wants much more to show for, in light of our contributions and past sacrifices.
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Don't mean to hijack your thread about MD Sinkr8 but since it seems to be about Dalpa's response to the 117 negotiations too...........has any one else read the Council 54 piece put out yesterday? With the last few letters on this subject, I'm getting the distinct impression that cooperative engagement is on life support.....
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