Purple Drank

"almost?" sweet. ALV+anything is miserable in a high ALV month.

So let's see after this summer if it's "having 'almost' no impact." Heck...after March.

forgot to bid

7ERB had 549 guys in Feb 2013 and 537 in Feb 2014. Net change of -12.

RES still went from 28% to 15%.

sailingfun

Without knowing the total block hours, ALV and threshold on the PBS run it's hard to make a comparison however they parked about 15 airframes last year. That combined with the massive job loss from the contract should have resulted in a massive reduction in staffing. Captains pre contract 12 were staffed about where the company wanted them. Why no large reductions in CA's jobs? The simple fact is that contract 2012 has had no measurable impact on staffing at Delta. Had it had even been close to what the forum claims we would not only have had no upgrades but a large reduction in CA's jobs.
Where are all those furloughs many posters assured us were coming??

GunshipGuy

Sure. I was trying to say I hope ego (partly his and partly the group he has so much faith in) and overwhelming intolerance of a viewpoint that differs from one so ingrained doesn't play as much a part in the minds of the NC as it did with the gentlemen I was working with that day. Said another way, be open to ideas of others, listen to those who may have worthy suggestions and concerns, and most of all don't think the last PWA negotiations resulted in getting the best that was possible and ergo we are incapable of not maximizing the results for our pilot group.

forgot to bid

The ALV was the same.

BTW, I don't recall people in 2012 saying we'd need to furlough, just that we wouldn't need to hire or hire as many... and it turns out we didn't hire in 2012 as was hinted, we did hire in late 2013 for classes starting in 2014 though.

sailingfun

Again relative to total system block hours we are staffed almost exactly the same for Captains as pre contract.

tsquare

This is interesting. I get what you are saying, but how do you define "maximizing the results for our pilot group"? It is a crucial argument, because there are 11,000 of us. About 1/3 is verrrrrry interested in retirement, and that is one of the most crucial issues. About 1/3 are verrrrrrry interested in recapturing RJ flying. Neither of those groups are very interested in the concerns of the other, at least not to the degree that the group would like. So... like all "elections", the swing vote is with those nearest the center of the bell curve. Win their hearts and minds, and you might carry the day. (Guess what, I am very near the centerline.) Scope might be a little important to those guys, but many are not going to be affected by an RJ of any size. (I know guys that don't give a rat's ass about RJs.) For them, retirement is right around the corner. It all depends on how it is presented, and what the benefits are of each. If that seems a little harsh, I am just trying to be honest. I'll betcha that PD and FTB don't care as much about retirement as they do the "jumbo RJs". (They should though) Getting wrapped around the axle over reserve issues is myopic at best. In 6 months, none of it will matter.

So. Where does that leave the negotiating committee? It very well might leave them with a "majority" of a relatively few pilots that have been vocal enough to get their issue at the top of the list. And.. there is probably some temperment thrown in there that recognizes the issue that does the most good for the most pilots for the longest time. That very well might be retirement issues, but that one is particularly hard for young guys to see. So if one guy feels his ox is getting gored, it is because he only sees his issue as being uber important. I don't think that anybody on the negotiating committee ever ignored a "suggestion" as you put it, but if it is but one man's opinion, it probably doesn't nor should carry much weight.

And so called "professional" negotiators are no panacea. They have to work from the same program that our negotiating committee does, and at the end of the day, they go home and look for their next golden goose to milk.


Have fun.

forgot to bid

Well if you look at this time in 2013 to 2014, we added 178 Captains.

Oh wait, I think I see what you did. Yeah if you take all of the positive/additional Captains added you get 424... just ignore the 246 lost Captain positions.

And where were the 178 added from? Well, the WB categories including the ER lost about 247 FOs and the NB gained 120 FOs. So those WB FOs went to As or NB Bs.



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Free Bird

As a 2001 hire I can say that I don't have many options in ATL. I'm currently on the 88 and struggle with holding weekends off. If I get trips that are on weekdays only, I can expect to wake up at 0400 for 4 days in a row with multiple 4 legs days, maybe a 5 legger if I'm lucky. The only plane for me to go to for an improvement in seniority is the 717. Frankly, after 13 years I've had enough 4 and 5 leg days for my liking.

Things just keep getting better, we are hiring new pilots, guys are starting to retire and I moved backwards in the ATL 88 category 7 numbers from Feb to Mar.

If I'm reading your post right, you're inferring that after 13 years (5 of which was furlough) the 2000-2001 hires should still be on the most junior equipment at the company if we want any kind of quality of life.

I have also bid reserve from time to time to get things like weekends and holidays off. When I do bid reserve I'm usually in the top 10 reserve guys and I can tell you us 88B's work everyday we're on reserve, no matter your seniority. Maybe 1 or 2 guys gets a couple of long call days at home, but not many.

Sorry for the rant, post like yours tell me that many on the list have no clue as to how life is on the bottom 13% of the list under C2012.

80ktsClamp

No kidding. I'm surrounded by late-mid 2000 hires. I can guarantee that Alan Shore is 100% full of it and at a complete disconnect to the pilot population that he tries to speak of.