gloopy

Fair enough. But what about the extremely cut and dry 117 reserve situation? It (should) be a slam dunk win for us that results in a much improved reserve system. But the company is stonewalling when we have all the leverage. Something doesn't add up.

sailingfun

The company does not have to change anything. So far most pilots are doing what they always did and acknowledging a trip when called. Little to no impact on the company which means little to no leverage.

Reroute

Gloopy, one more time, we didn't win a grievance over the right of Delta to verify a pilot's sickness. The arbitrator stated it quite clearly in the award.

"This case does not involve a challenge to the right of the company to require a pilot to verify his or her sickness, nor does it challenge the right of the Company to require verification in abnormal cases where the absence is less than seven consecutive days."

Furthermore, the new language is not nearly as open ended as the old, in fact it is much more restrictive, with far fewer pilots being called and every pilot who gets sick eligible for 100% for every hour of sick leave and in the unfortunate event that they do go on disability, the disability formula to determine benfits is more generous.

DAL73n

Worked with John during a grievance a few years ago - very straight shooter, very knowledgeable - would be a good choice. Not sure how committed he is to "restoration/large raises" in this environment (i.e. Company making record profits despite a still slow economy).

orvil

The company does not have to change anything. So far most pilots are doing what they always did and acknowledging a trip when called. Little to no impact on the company which means little to no leverage.


In my case scheduling seems to be assigning trips while you are on short call. I get a call during my SC window and I am told if not used by a certain time I have rotation xxxx tomorrow. I have also noticed much more SC assignments since 117 went into effect.

Alan Shore

I understand. Please know that I am not trying to say that we've not seen massive stagnation over the past 10-15 years -- as I said, I've experienced it myself. It's just that I see many external factors that have been the primary causes of that stagnation -- mostly recently from 9/11 and the resulting economy to age 65, and the productivity concessions at both airlines in the mid-2000's did not help.

To those that have responded to my various posts on this subject with both barrels blazing, I do apologize for my public math in characterizing 2000 as having been 13 years ago. And I fully recognize that there is a big difference between the seniority numbers of pilots from the two pre-merger groups hired in the same year. That said, none of the posters who first brought up what a pilot hired in a given year could hold mentioned at which airline they'd been hired, and I did not think to do so either.

I do know this:

1. C2012 was advertised, and my back of the napkin math confirms it, to cost 100-125 jobs in 2015, given a static amount of block hours. That's about 1% of our pilot group, an average of 2 pilots per category, a barely perceptible amount in my view.
2. Regardless of one's relative seniority, and I've been everywhere from the plug to 25% down from the top in a category, QOL can be greatly enhanced by learning and using the various schedule bidding and enhancements tools available to us to their fullest extent. As the plug, I knew I would be on reserve and working weekends. So I submitted a YS for the nicest 4-day trip available every Friday. By Thursday afternoon, I knew what I was doing the next day, I never sat short call, and I always broke guarantee working 16 days per month.

As an aside, I am not, nor have I ever been, a member of the Communist Party or the 4th floor office pool, and I cannot imagine ever going there. I have voted no nearly as many times as I've voted yes, and am as frustrated with the loss of my anticipated career and retirement as I am disgusted with those who took if from me to compensate for their own incompetence.

That said, I refuse to go down without a fight. The lemonade I have made for myself and my family out of the lemons handed to us over the years has been mighty tasty. I see from the 2008 hire of whom I posted earlier that others have chosen the same route.

It is from that perspective that I speak, and not from any lack of sympathy for the plight of my fellow pilots. My apologies if I have given off the wrong impression.

sailingfun

They are using more shortcalls. It's nice to thump your chest and refuse to play ball but in most cases the company can also play hardball. If we don't reach a agreement expect each reserve to get maxed out on shortcalls and negative changes in trip construction.
I would rather reach a agreement. As a example perhaps we change long call to 16 hours and require a 6 hour response time. Now long call is commutable unlike the current leash that limits the ability to commute from many cities.

tsquare

At least you finally admit the 7ER IS a widebody. We're making progress.

Hillbilly

deleted....already addressed by a previous poster

ExAF

So....does that mean you're bidding MSP?
I honestly think we'd have fun flying together. Especially if you're bringing cheerleaders.