saab2000

In my former life I used to fly for a European airline. I was hired there basically 'ab initio' as is the norm in Europe. During training, we were told we could log the sim time into our total time, though not into the M/E column. The reason was that it was a full-motion Cat. D sim, etc.

Obviously, this was in error, at least according to how things are done in the US.

When I started flying in the US, I carried this number over into my new log book.

I am now looking for a new job and would like to remove the 68.7 hours of sim time from my Total Time column, in order to have my logbook be completely up to date and representative of how it should appear to an interviewer. The number of hours is insignificant, but the principle is not - I want to be completely truthful, including with how the correction is made.

What is the best way to correct this? Should I make a one line correction on the first page and on the last page, along with a note written in that the entry was made in error? I am starting another logbook this week and would like the new one to be completely clean.

Again, there was no attempt at deception, the number of hours is small and the logbook is basically clean. In a logbook with about 4000 hours, 68 hours is not much. But I want to be honest and completely transparent. Any hints?

Also, I was typed on my last aircraft in Europe. According to the FARs, a pilot who is type-rated may log as "Pilot in Command" that flight time where the pilot was the sole manipulator of the controls. My PIC column represents this, though I am also aware that when companies require PIC time they want "Captain" time, not just "Sole Manipulator" time. What to do? Shall I keep it as is and just use my 'real' PIC time when sending out resumes?

In short:

1. How to make a proper correction to a logbook?
2. How to represent PIC time in an honest, non-deceptive fashion?

Thanks for your tips.

Ottopilot

You can be truthful without changing it. If that was the way it's done there, tell them. Tell them you have 68 of sim included into your total time. Explain why. It's your logbook, you don't have to change it. They will subtract the sim time from your total to see if they still want you. That should not be a problem. It would get messy trying to undo your logbook.

Ottopilot

If it is a "two-pilot" aircraft, it does not matter if you are sole manipulator or not. There is only one Captain and that is the person listed on the release and signs for the aircraft. He doesn't have to touch the controls. You are either the PIC or SIC, no matter who does what with the controls.

I do multi crew flights (over 8 hours) and you have a third in command. The PIC (Captain) could be sitting in first class eating or sleeping. He is logging PIC time. I'm logging SIC time in the cockpit and the third pilot is logging ?. I don't have a TIC column, so I'd just put it as SIC. All three pilots are type rated in the aircraft. We all take turns flying, but our positions are always the same: PIC, SIC, & TIC.

That is the 121 airline rules, I guess you might log it other ways if it was part 91 or a single pilot aircraft requiring a type rating.

saab2000

Thanks for the answer Ottopilot. The ops I am talking about is in fact European 121-equivalant.

Anyway, I will wait for other answers. I appreciate your thoughts on this though. I do not want to make corrections in the book without some solid reasons, as it begins to raise eyebrows if numbers change too much.

I learned how to fly over there and things were just a bit different. Not better or worse, just different. Logging of time was slightly different too.

AVIVIII

It must be obvious that the airports that you were flying at were not in the US. I would just leave it the same and explain how things were done differently over there.

If it really bugs you, make a journal entry to correct it. I have had a discrepency in my logs since log #1 where ASEL+ASES+AMEL = 2.2 more than my TT. I finally found it and made a correction entry in my current log, #3, with a 0.6 addition to my TT and a 1.6 reduction to my AMEL which come to find out were mistakes from flight instructors and examiners in the past. I put in a quick explanation and cited the pages with ending dates in Log #1 where you could find the errors. In Log #1 I cricled the errors, but left the numbers as they were. Don't know if that was right or wrong, but it is nice and neat and makes my #'s add up.