Shot down by SWA
#31
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From: B-737NG preferably in first class with a glass of champagne and caviar
Many of you may be too young to remember the many incidences in the late 80s early 90s.
My point is that SW is not the be all end all airline to wind up at.
For what it's worth, I'm sitting in a class right now that is split just about evenly down the middle with half military and half all civilian guys.
#32
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#33
For those that got "shot down" for an interview invite; was anyone type rated in a 737? I don't have the type, so I don't expect an invite-regardless of how many hrs I have or experience.
#34
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From: DOWNGRADE COMPLETE: Thanks Gary. Thanks SWAPA.
They're flushing the app pool and starting again. I got the letter, all my crash pad roommates did too. It's a generic form letter. What did you think, by sending that they would change their mind? What you did was erase any chance of ever having a shot there, ever, since they turned around and reopened the window. If you got all butthurt and took the time to draft a response to a form letter, you've got some seriously thin skin, and it comes off as completely pathetic and immature. Right now the HR people are saying "wow, glad we didn't give that guy a shot." Quite possible other HR departments are looking up your listed quals and matching them up to apps in their stacks for a black flag too.
Assuming that you're a civilian guy (as you mentioned a crashpad), spend a little time on the line here and you'll soon understand why this place has the reputation it does for not keeping it on pavement as well as all the other incidents you see (and don't see that don't make it to the media. I.e. The new -800 that's probably totaled due to a really bad tail-strike in LAS).
Do you have any idea how frustrating it is to have to sit in the tiller-less seat now and witness the pax and FAs get thrown around on the ground because Cptn. Doesn't Understand How to Smoothly Operate and Aircraft with People on it is at the helm? THAT'S frustrating and yet this guy with oodles of experience gets turned down.
As a disclaimer if he had a $chitty attitude or wasn't typed I can certainly understand the rejection as they're probably interviewing to fill the three classes during June & July, but if that's the case why interview him?!
#35
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From: A320 CA
Not sure what the allure about going to SW nowadays is. Yes, yes. I get it, they make descent money. But I'm not sure that does it for me. Came to Spirit 7 years ago, been left seat for almost 2 (flying with my favorite captain!), got my guaranteed 4 days off in a row per the CBA, work some OT and credit an average of 110 hours a month (not bad money at all). Currently half way up the list in base, and almost top third of the master list. Descent layovers (just spent 24 hours in a Cabo resort), excellent crews (and some very young, fun, hottie F/A's). Aggressive growth, new jets, profitable business model (read ATW's "The New Southwest?" article). You don't need a Space Shuttle type-rating, or be an alumnus of the Fighter Weapons School to be eligible, although it might be a plus. Many ex-World, Omni, DHL and most recently expats from Etihad and Emirates are being hired. 24 a month.
Maybe the SW thing is a little overrated. But might be worth a shot.
Maybe the SW thing is a little overrated. But might be worth a shot.
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#36
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From: A320 Left
Not sure what the allure about going to SW nowadays is. Yes, yes. I get it, they make descent money. But I'm not sure that does it for me. Came to Spirit 7 years ago, been left seat for almost 2 (flying with my favorite captain!), got my guaranteed 4 days off in a row per the CBA, work some OT and credit an average of 110 hours a month (not bad money at all). Currently half way up the list in base, and almost top third of the master list. Descent layovers (just spent 24 hours in a Cabo resort), excellent crews (and some very young, fun, hottie F/A's). Aggressive growth, new jets, profitable business model (read ATW's "The new Southwest?" article). You don't need a Space Shuttle type-rating, or be an alumnus of the Fighter Weapons School to be eligible, although it might be a plus. Many ex-World, Omni, DHL and most recently expats from Etihad and Emirates are being hired.
Maybe the SW thing is a little overrated.
Maybe the SW thing is a little overrated.
#37
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From: DOWNGRADE COMPLETE: Thanks Gary. Thanks SWAPA.
Not sure what the allure about going to SW nowadays is. Yes, yes. I get it, they make descent money. But I'm not sure that does it for me. Came to Spirit 7 years ago, been left seat for almost 2 (flying with my favorite captain!), got my guaranteed 4 days off in a row per the CBA, work some OT and credit an average of 110 hours a month (not bad money at all). Currently half way up the list in base, and almost top third of the master list. Descent layovers (just spent 24 hours in a Cabo resort), excellent crews (and some very young, fun, hottie F/A's). Aggressive growth, new jets, profitable business model (read ATW's "The new Southwest?" article). You don't need a Space Shuttle type-rating, or be an alumnus of the Fighter Weapons School to be eligible, although it might be a plus. Many ex-World, Omni, DHL and most recently expats from Etihad and Emirates are being hired.
Maybe the SW thing is a little overrated.
Maybe the SW thing is a little overrated.
#38
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Not sure what the allure about going to SW nowadays is. Yes, yes. I get it, they make descent money. But I'm not sure that does it for me. Came to Spirit 7 years ago, been left seat for almost 2 (flying with my favorite captain!), got my guaranteed 4 days off in a row per the CBA, work some OT and credit an average of 110 hours a month (not bad money at all). Currently half way up the list in base, and almost top third of the master list. Descent layovers (just spent 24 hours in a Cabo resort), excellent crews (and some very young, fun, hottie F/A's). Aggressive growth, new jets, profitable business model (read ATW's "The New Southwest?" article). You don't need a Space Shuttle type-rating, or be an alumnus of the Fighter Weapons School to be eligible, although it might be a plus. Many ex-World, Omni, DHL and most recently expats from Etihad and Emirates are being hired. 24 a month.
Maybe the SW thing is a little overrated. But might be worth a shot.
Maybe the SW thing is a little overrated. But might be worth a shot.
And it wasn't too long ago that a SW pilot would be saying the SAME things you are. And at that time, if someone was to mention Spirit, it'd be "Spirit, who's that? Wait, is that the crappy/ghetto company flying MD80s with pilots that can't get hired elsewhere, working for next to nothing?"
Interesting how times change........
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#39
They did you a huge favor..... If you don't believe me, come back here and look this up in 2 years, and do the math.
DAL is gonna hire for at least 10 years. So is UAL, so is AAL. Lots and lots of pilots. SWA, not so much, not matter what smoke they are blowing about "growth" there. (You still have to account for the loss of 88 717s, and there isn't enough on the order book there to amount to any significant growth beyond that). Then take a look at the retirements at the legacies and the potential network expansions at them, then compare that to SWA. You should have sent them a thank you letter.
DAL is gonna hire for at least 10 years. So is UAL, so is AAL. Lots and lots of pilots. SWA, not so much, not matter what smoke they are blowing about "growth" there. (You still have to account for the loss of 88 717s, and there isn't enough on the order book there to amount to any significant growth beyond that). Then take a look at the retirements at the legacies and the potential network expansions at them, then compare that to SWA. You should have sent them a thank you letter.
#40
They're flushing the app pool and starting again. I got the letter, all my crash pad roommates did too. It's a generic form letter. What did you think, by sending that they would change their mind? What you did was erase any chance of ever having a shot there, ever, since they turned around and reopened the window. If you got all butthurt and took the time to draft a response to a form letter, you've got some seriously thin skin, and it comes off as completely pathetic and immature. Right now the HR people are saying "wow, glad we didn't give that guy a shot." Quite possible other HR departments are looking up your listed quals and matching them up to apps in their stacks for a black flag too.
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