Shot down by SWA
04-04-2014 | 05:41 AM
#71
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From: Airbus 319/320 Captain
The support among Pilot's these days is just magnificent. The " holier then thou's" pitted against the " I ain't got mine" crowd. I can't wait until our jobs are automated then we can all have something in common.
04-04-2014 | 06:18 AM
#72
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From: 777B
I do not think SWA is the place to be going right now either. Spirit, SWA, LCC... Downward pressure on wages. Tell yourself that you have better QOL while you try to scrape by. I'm not saying that he shouldn't be happy he has a job. I'm just saying there are plenty of us out here that value our time and experience more. I wish him the best of luck. Just don't ever let me catch somebody like him wondering what happened to the glory days where pilots were well-compensated and treated like professionals.
That's pretty far from just scraping by.
I'll stand by while you explain to me your strategy of getting us all back to the Cadillac-a-month pay levels.
04-04-2014 | 06:26 AM
#73
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From: DOWNGRADE COMPLETE: Thanks Gary. Thanks SWAPA.
Can't ever get enough of WHACKMASTER.
Two observations: he's in the same boat as Napolean and the Wizard of Oz with a severe self esteem problem. It's sad that he couldn't get hired at SWA and now he's ****ed to be acquired. It's the same that he tells everyone how great it is at all of the other airlines--but doesn't have the will or ability to go to one of those airlines himself. It's a shame since that would make everyone happy.
Two observations: he's in the same boat as Napolean and the Wizard of Oz with a severe self esteem problem. It's sad that he couldn't get hired at SWA and now he's ****ed to be acquired. It's the same that he tells everyone how great it is at all of the other airlines--but doesn't have the will or ability to go to one of those airlines himself. It's a shame since that would make everyone happy.
I know it seems unfathomable to SWAPA pilots that someone would actually not have any desire to work there. You're obviously part of the, "AirTran pilots are those pilots that couldn't get hired at SWA and deserve nothing short of a staple" crowd. At least fess up to it. It's obvious from your posts. Get over yourself and your crappy airline. My regional carrier was better run than this airline and had a much better safety record.
As for going somewhere else, all options are on the table. Of course, you know that I'm just scum that couldn't get hired anywhere else so you might be stuck with me
04-04-2014 | 06:28 AM
#74
On Reserve
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From: A320 Left
You don't even know him. Is a strike worth nothing in your book? Whatever your opinion on wages, Spirit has lots to do with helping to create ancillary revenues in the industry. I would argue this has helped other airlines share in a new profit center which helps make an industry with a very poor track record of profitability somewhat profitable now. I can't stand it when pilots who have been around a long time criticize someone up and coming who takes the best job possible in a workforce that has been sold out through relaxing scope and b scales while protecting the "me, me, me" crowd that happily sells out the next generation.
04-04-2014 | 06:46 AM
#75
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From: Delta chihuahua Capt.
You can add one right here. Working at arguably the worst regional out there (Endeavor), with more than enough TPIC , and still have 0 desire to work at SouthWest, or any other LCC for that matter. Holding out for DL, but will go to AA/UA if called first. However on the other side of the coin I know plenty of captains who have 0 desire for DL, AA, UA and ONLY want SWA, or JB. To each his own....
04-04-2014 | 06:48 AM
#76
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Really? Seriously?
8 Pages of replies and not one person noted the date of the supposed SW letter...
APRIL 1st!
The other giveaways? Six types in 6 years at Eagle? Eagle doesn't even HAVE 6 different types do they? Email domain of recipient, @howl.com? Like a dog, a FREIGHT DOG, howling?
Hilarious nonetheless! Well done DC8!
8 Pages of replies and not one person noted the date of the supposed SW letter...
APRIL 1st!
The other giveaways? Six types in 6 years at Eagle? Eagle doesn't even HAVE 6 different types do they? Email domain of recipient, @howl.com? Like a dog, a FREIGHT DOG, howling?
Hilarious nonetheless! Well done DC8!
04-04-2014 | 06:58 AM
#77
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From: A-320
Milky;
I think that's being just a little unfair. It wasn't too long ago that spirit's rates were in line with the lower end of the legacies and the upper end of the nationals (still true). He upgraded in a short time and enjoys some seniority at an airline that has a very successful business model. Just because he isn't at the top of the food chain does not make him a sellout or someone who settled. IMO, his QOL and career potential both look better than a SWA new hire's. But that's just me.
I think that's being just a little unfair. It wasn't too long ago that spirit's rates were in line with the lower end of the legacies and the upper end of the nationals (still true). He upgraded in a short time and enjoys some seniority at an airline that has a very successful business model. Just because he isn't at the top of the food chain does not make him a sellout or someone who settled. IMO, his QOL and career potential both look better than a SWA new hire's. But that's just me.
04-04-2014 | 07:09 AM
#78
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From: A320 Left
Milky;
I think that's being just a little unfair. It wasn't too long ago that spirit's rates were in line with the lower end of the legacies and the upper end of the nationals (still true). He upgraded in a short time and enjoys some seniority at an airline that has a very successful business model. Just because he isn't at the top of the food chain does not make him a sellout or someone who settled. IMO, his QOL and career potential both look better than a SWA new hire's. But that's just me.
I think that's being just a little unfair. It wasn't too long ago that spirit's rates were in line with the lower end of the legacies and the upper end of the nationals (still true). He upgraded in a short time and enjoys some seniority at an airline that has a very successful business model. Just because he isn't at the top of the food chain does not make him a sellout or someone who settled. IMO, his QOL and career potential both look better than a SWA new hire's. But that's just me.
04-04-2014 | 07:33 AM
#79
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From: DAL A320 CA
Really? Seriously?
8 Pages of replies and not one person noted the date of the supposed SW letter...
APRIL 1st!
The other giveaways? Six types in 6 years at Eagle? Eagle doesn't even HAVE 6 different types do they? Email domain of recipient, @howl.com? Like a dog, a FREIGHT DOG, howling?
Hilarious nonetheless! Well done DC8!
8 Pages of replies and not one person noted the date of the supposed SW letter...
APRIL 1st!
The other giveaways? Six types in 6 years at Eagle? Eagle doesn't even HAVE 6 different types do they? Email domain of recipient, @howl.com? Like a dog, a FREIGHT DOG, howling?
Hilarious nonetheless! Well done DC8!
04-04-2014 | 10:30 AM
#80
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From: A320 CA
When you are willing to work as a captain for FO wages, you should never, ever complain that the industry has screwed you in any way. You seem happy to be flying where you are and getting paid what you are. I would never take that kind of pay cut and loss of future earnings. I think that is what most people will not say to you. I am glad you enjoy your job. I'm sorry that many like you will continue to be a downward pressure on our pay and benefits. At least the looming shortage will likely counter that pressure.
*not a personal attack. You asked, I answered.*
*not a personal attack. You asked, I answered.*
*not trying to create a discussion about which airline is best. Just a point to those rejected and frustrated by SW that there are other descent options out there, be it DL, AA, NK, B6, etc...Personally, all things considered, I wouldn't accept a job there even if they handed it to me for free.
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