Latest with DAL 737/757/RNAV into JNU
04-16-2014, 08:43 AM
#101
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Look - I understand that Delta pilots are sky gods and can go anywhere in the world better, faster, and stronger than anybody else. Heck, they are so good, all they have to do is read a memo!
They are so good, they don't need to worry about JAWS winds or the FOX departure in JNU, they don't care if it's blowing 50 knots in KTN like it was last week, it is of no concern that the ramp in CDV is to small to even fit a 757, and who needs a 757 sized stair truck in SIT?, Fuel in YAK? No problem, but once the fueler gets to the airport after an hour or so he will figure out that he has to drive back into town to try and buy a 25 foot extension ladder so he can reach the fuel panel.
Of course I'm just goofing around here. All of these logistical problems can surely be figured out by Big D. I'm sure many of their sky gods will soon be telling us all how great of an operation they set up in BF Africa where the locals are paid daily in grubs. My point is that Big D's Southeast Alaska adventure will make them no money. That is apparently OK by their management. I'm convinced that they are going to use a 757 so they can pack a lot of gas and bingo back to SEA if it's not VFR in JNU. That makes me sad for the passengers who will miss their cruise ship connections in JNU and have their summer vacation screwed up by Big D. But, that will be the price they pay for choosing Delta instead of Alaska.
As healthy as the industry is right now, it is a shame to see Big D going back to the old ways of intentionally flying an unprofitable route in order to inflict pain on a competitor.
PS - on the few VFR days that we will get in JNU this summer, can you sky gods please cancel IFR so the rest of us are not stacked and racked over SSR waiting for you.
They are so good, they don't need to worry about JAWS winds or the FOX departure in JNU, they don't care if it's blowing 50 knots in KTN like it was last week, it is of no concern that the ramp in CDV is to small to even fit a 757, and who needs a 757 sized stair truck in SIT?, Fuel in YAK? No problem, but once the fueler gets to the airport after an hour or so he will figure out that he has to drive back into town to try and buy a 25 foot extension ladder so he can reach the fuel panel.
Of course I'm just goofing around here. All of these logistical problems can surely be figured out by Big D. I'm sure many of their sky gods will soon be telling us all how great of an operation they set up in BF Africa where the locals are paid daily in grubs. My point is that Big D's Southeast Alaska adventure will make them no money. That is apparently OK by their management. I'm convinced that they are going to use a 757 so they can pack a lot of gas and bingo back to SEA if it's not VFR in JNU. That makes me sad for the passengers who will miss their cruise ship connections in JNU and have their summer vacation screwed up by Big D. But, that will be the price they pay for choosing Delta instead of Alaska.
As healthy as the industry is right now, it is a shame to see Big D going back to the old ways of intentionally flying an unprofitable route in order to inflict pain on a competitor.
PS - on the few VFR days that we will get in JNU this summer, can you sky gods please cancel IFR so the rest of us are not stacked and racked over SSR waiting for you.
04-16-2014, 09:07 AM
#102
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Posts: 631
Originally Posted by Mudhen200
Look - I understand that Delta pilots are sky gods and can go anywhere in the world better, faster, and stronger than anybody else. Heck, they are so good, all they have to do is read a memo!
They are so good, they don't need to worry about JAWS winds or the FOX departure in JNU, they don't care if it's blowing 50 knots in KTN like it was last week, it is of no concern that the ramp in CDV is to small to even fit a 757, and who needs a 757 sized stair truck in SIT?, Fuel in YAK? No problem, but once the fueler gets to the airport after an hour or so he will figure out that he has to drive back into town to try and buy a 25 foot extension ladder so he can reach the fuel panel.
Of course I'm just goofing around here. All of these logistical problems can surely be figured out by Big D. I'm sure many of their sky gods will soon be telling us all how great of an operation they set up in BF Africa where the locals are paid daily in grubs. My point is that Big D's Southeast Alaska adventure will make them no money. That is apparently OK by their management. I'm convinced that they are going to use a 757 so they can pack a lot of gas and bingo back to SEA if it's not VFR in JNU. That makes me sad for the passengers who will miss their cruise ship connections in JNU and have their summer vacation screwed up by Big D. But, that will be the price they pay for choosing Delta instead of Alaska.
As healthy as the industry is right now, it is a shame to see Big D going back to the old ways of intentionally flying an unprofitable route in order to inflict pain on a competitor.
PS - on the few VFR days that we will get in JNU this summer, can you sky gods please cancel IFR so the rest of us are not stacked and racked over SSR waiting for you.
They are so good, they don't need to worry about JAWS winds or the FOX departure in JNU, they don't care if it's blowing 50 knots in KTN like it was last week, it is of no concern that the ramp in CDV is to small to even fit a 757, and who needs a 757 sized stair truck in SIT?, Fuel in YAK? No problem, but once the fueler gets to the airport after an hour or so he will figure out that he has to drive back into town to try and buy a 25 foot extension ladder so he can reach the fuel panel.
Of course I'm just goofing around here. All of these logistical problems can surely be figured out by Big D. I'm sure many of their sky gods will soon be telling us all how great of an operation they set up in BF Africa where the locals are paid daily in grubs. My point is that Big D's Southeast Alaska adventure will make them no money. That is apparently OK by their management. I'm convinced that they are going to use a 757 so they can pack a lot of gas and bingo back to SEA if it's not VFR in JNU. That makes me sad for the passengers who will miss their cruise ship connections in JNU and have their summer vacation screwed up by Big D. But, that will be the price they pay for choosing Delta instead of Alaska.
As healthy as the industry is right now, it is a shame to see Big D going back to the old ways of intentionally flying an unprofitable route in order to inflict pain on a competitor.
PS - on the few VFR days that we will get in JNU this summer, can you sky gods please cancel IFR so the rest of us are not stacked and racked over SSR waiting for you.
MH..why do all u AK guys worry about JNU-SEA being profitable for DL? DL cares about the profitability of JNU- (LHR, AMS, HND, NGO...) if JNU is not producing numbers for the INTERNATIONAL operation they will slice and dice....
04-16-2014, 09:11 AM
#103
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Originally Posted by Mudhen200
Look - I understand that Delta pilots are sky gods and can go anywhere in the world better, faster, and stronger than anybody else. Heck, they are so good, all they have to do is read a memo!
They are so good, they don't need to worry about JAWS winds or the FOX departure in JNU, they don't care if it's blowing 50 knots in KTN like it was last week, it is of no concern that the ramp in CDV is to small to even fit a 757, and who needs a 757 sized stair truck in SIT?, Fuel in YAK? No problem, but once the fueler gets to the airport after an hour or so he will figure out that he has to drive back into town to try and buy a 25 foot extension ladder so he can reach the fuel panel.
Of course I'm just goofing around here. All of these logistical problems can surely be figured out by Big D. I'm sure many of their sky gods will soon be telling us all how great of an operation they set up in BF Africa where the locals are paid daily in grubs. My point is that Big D's Southeast Alaska adventure will make them no money. That is apparently OK by their management. I'm convinced that they are going to use a 757 so they can pack a lot of gas and bingo back to SEA if it's not VFR in JNU. That makes me sad for the passengers who will miss their cruise ship connections in JNU and have their summer vacation screwed up by Big D. But, that will be the price they pay for choosing Delta instead of Alaska.
As healthy as the industry is right now, it is a shame to see Big D going back to the old ways of intentionally flying an unprofitable route in order to inflict pain on a competitor.
PS - on the few VFR days that we will get in JNU this summer, can you sky gods please cancel IFR so the rest of us are not stacked and racked over SSR waiting for you.
They are so good, they don't need to worry about JAWS winds or the FOX departure in JNU, they don't care if it's blowing 50 knots in KTN like it was last week, it is of no concern that the ramp in CDV is to small to even fit a 757, and who needs a 757 sized stair truck in SIT?, Fuel in YAK? No problem, but once the fueler gets to the airport after an hour or so he will figure out that he has to drive back into town to try and buy a 25 foot extension ladder so he can reach the fuel panel.
Of course I'm just goofing around here. All of these logistical problems can surely be figured out by Big D. I'm sure many of their sky gods will soon be telling us all how great of an operation they set up in BF Africa where the locals are paid daily in grubs. My point is that Big D's Southeast Alaska adventure will make them no money. That is apparently OK by their management. I'm convinced that they are going to use a 757 so they can pack a lot of gas and bingo back to SEA if it's not VFR in JNU. That makes me sad for the passengers who will miss their cruise ship connections in JNU and have their summer vacation screwed up by Big D. But, that will be the price they pay for choosing Delta instead of Alaska.
As healthy as the industry is right now, it is a shame to see Big D going back to the old ways of intentionally flying an unprofitable route in order to inflict pain on a competitor.
PS - on the few VFR days that we will get in JNU this summer, can you sky gods please cancel IFR so the rest of us are not stacked and racked over SSR waiting for you.
You are now reaping what was sown a year ago. DAL has made the strategic decision to Hub out Seattle and turn it into our biggest Pacific gateway and grow exponentially in China where the $$ is the next 20 years. Alaska was asked to provide the feed for this expansion and we were told no. So not only are we going to feed ourselves we are also going to TAKE market share away from your most profitable routes. DAL could careless about making a profit in Juno for now. For too long Alaska had been allowed to grow at the expense of the DAL pilot group. I'm finally back on the west coast after a 3 year displacement to NYC as a direct result of us farming out LAX flying to Alaska. I conservatively figure that displacement cost me $60,000 in earnings, easily...not to mention the QOL of a transcon commute where you really only get 8 days a month at home.
Look for a SEA narrow body base within the year. This has JUST begun. I hope we capacity dump on every route that has the highest margins for Alaska. Alaska shouldn't be allowed to fly into any of our hubs at a profit. In the meantime get ready bleed $$ on your 7 routes out of SLC. The same NWA managers that kept Alaska in check before the merger are now running the show at DAL. They know how to play rough.
Bring it
"Skygod".
04-16-2014, 09:17 AM
#104
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Originally Posted by Mudhen200
As healthy as the industry is right now, it is a shame to see Big D going back to the old ways of intentionally flying an unprofitable route in order to inflict pain on a competitor.
2. Delta decided to feed it's own international growth out of SEA. JNU happens to be one of many cities that will be part of that feed. Sometimes Delta loses money domestically but makes up for it internationally.
3. Alaska is increasing it's code share to foreign carriers such as Emirates who are funded by foreign governments (middle eastern in this case) and who are one of the biggest threats long term to US pilot jobs. That's not only anti-competitive to US carriers/pilots, it's anti-American. Get off your high horse.
Delta will develop the necessary approaches, mx, gate handling,etc. even if it takes a year or two. This is not Delta's first rodeo and this is not rocket science. Delta is committed to SEA as an international gateway, is hugely profitable and has the means to make this happen. Get over it.
Last edited by EdGrimley; 04-16-2014 at 09:31 AM.
04-16-2014, 09:20 AM
#105
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Position: DL 7ER F/O
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Wouldn't it be funny if the inaugural DL flight couldn't get in because of WX?
If AS put all the money into their approach development in SE AK then by all means they should have exclusive rights to them. However, if public funds were used then the matter changes somewhat. Maybe some of the AS guys could shed some light here, as I have no idea.
While I applaud the efforts of AS's management to keep AS a separate entity, I hope their decision to align with Emirates does not prove harmful to the careers of some of their employees. Market forces being what they are, AS mgt. chose not to board the train, now they are finding themselves increasingly competing with it.
I have seen AS guys here act like they own SE AK, as they have had a monopoly there because other companies have not invested in the resources required to effectively fly there. Have seen coworkers act the same with other destinations DL serves, and have witnessed this from individuals from other companies as well. WE do not own anything, we are just labor flying where we are told and are all the same when it comes right down to it in this respect. Just hope we can all keep this in perspective and remain respectful toward one another. I hope that AS guys enjoy our jump seats as much as I have theirs, saved my bacon a time or two. Thanx!!
Me thinks we can all look at JNU as a gauge as to how serious DAL is about feeding SEA. Should be interesting to say the least.
Respectfully
If AS put all the money into their approach development in SE AK then by all means they should have exclusive rights to them. However, if public funds were used then the matter changes somewhat. Maybe some of the AS guys could shed some light here, as I have no idea.
While I applaud the efforts of AS's management to keep AS a separate entity, I hope their decision to align with Emirates does not prove harmful to the careers of some of their employees. Market forces being what they are, AS mgt. chose not to board the train, now they are finding themselves increasingly competing with it.
I have seen AS guys here act like they own SE AK, as they have had a monopoly there because other companies have not invested in the resources required to effectively fly there. Have seen coworkers act the same with other destinations DL serves, and have witnessed this from individuals from other companies as well. WE do not own anything, we are just labor flying where we are told and are all the same when it comes right down to it in this respect. Just hope we can all keep this in perspective and remain respectful toward one another. I hope that AS guys enjoy our jump seats as much as I have theirs, saved my bacon a time or two. Thanx!!
Me thinks we can all look at JNU as a gauge as to how serious DAL is about feeding SEA. Should be interesting to say the least.
Respectfully
04-16-2014, 09:21 AM
#106
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Good response Erdude. Looks looks like we were writing some of the same things at the same time....all true btw.
It should be noted, even before Alaska told RA to get lost, they decided to fly SEA direct to some of our largest hubs such as ATL and MSP. They drew first blood not us. And so it began.
It should be noted, even before Alaska told RA to get lost, they decided to fly SEA direct to some of our largest hubs such as ATL and MSP. They drew first blood not us. And so it began.
04-16-2014, 09:30 AM
#107
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The Sky Gods are coming.
The battle for Seattle is just beginning.
Delta might have plans but the Delta pilots have plans too.
The battle for Seattle is just beginning.
Delta might have plans but the Delta pilots have plans too.
04-16-2014, 09:39 AM
#108
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Originally Posted by Mudhen200
Look - I understand that Delta pilots are sky gods and can go anywhere in the world better, faster, and stronger than anybody else. Heck, they are so good, all they have to do is read a memo!
They are so good, they don't need to worry about JAWS winds or the FOX departure in JNU, they don't care if it's blowing 50 knots in KTN like it was last week, it is of no concern that the ramp in CDV is to small to even fit a 757, and who needs a 757 sized stair truck in SIT?, Fuel in YAK? No problem, but once the fueler gets to the airport after an hour or so he will figure out that he has to drive back into town to try and buy a 25 foot extension ladder so he can reach the fuel panel.
Of course I'm just goofing around here. All of these logistical problems can surely be figured out by Big D. I'm sure many of their sky gods will soon be telling us all how great of an operation they set up in BF Africa where the locals are paid daily in grubs. My point is that Big D's Southeast Alaska adventure will make them no money. That is apparently OK by their management. I'm convinced that they are going to use a 757 so they can pack a lot of gas and bingo back to SEA if it's not VFR in JNU. That makes me sad for the passengers who will miss their cruise ship connections in JNU and have their summer vacation screwed up by Big D. But, that will be the price they pay for choosing Delta instead of Alaska.
As healthy as the industry is right now, it is a shame to see Big D going back to the old ways of intentionally flying an unprofitable route in order to inflict pain on a competitor.
PS - on the few VFR days that we will get in JNU this summer, can you sky gods please cancel IFR so the rest of us are not stacked and racked over SSR waiting for you.
They are so good, they don't need to worry about JAWS winds or the FOX departure in JNU, they don't care if it's blowing 50 knots in KTN like it was last week, it is of no concern that the ramp in CDV is to small to even fit a 757, and who needs a 757 sized stair truck in SIT?, Fuel in YAK? No problem, but once the fueler gets to the airport after an hour or so he will figure out that he has to drive back into town to try and buy a 25 foot extension ladder so he can reach the fuel panel.
Of course I'm just goofing around here. All of these logistical problems can surely be figured out by Big D. I'm sure many of their sky gods will soon be telling us all how great of an operation they set up in BF Africa where the locals are paid daily in grubs. My point is that Big D's Southeast Alaska adventure will make them no money. That is apparently OK by their management. I'm convinced that they are going to use a 757 so they can pack a lot of gas and bingo back to SEA if it's not VFR in JNU. That makes me sad for the passengers who will miss their cruise ship connections in JNU and have their summer vacation screwed up by Big D. But, that will be the price they pay for choosing Delta instead of Alaska.
As healthy as the industry is right now, it is a shame to see Big D going back to the old ways of intentionally flying an unprofitable route in order to inflict pain on a competitor.
PS - on the few VFR days that we will get in JNU this summer, can you sky gods please cancel IFR so the rest of us are not stacked and racked over SSR waiting for you.
04-16-2014, 10:01 AM
#109
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You guys make good points. I understand that it's not about JNU.
There are girls who have been around the block and then there are tour guides. Alaska is a tour guide. We are very good prostitutes.
Delta wanted us to go steady and maybe even get married. Alaska wasn't ready to settle down.
I understand that Delta wanted more exclusive feed from us. I also understand and agree with our management that if we did that we would be painting ourselves into a corner and eventually we would be unable to remain independent.
I hope our management made the right move. Time will tell.
I have no desire to wear a double breasted sub commanders uniform and commute to heaven knows where for the rest of my career. I like our little airline, I love the flying that we do and our Alaska culture. I also understand that we are just toe jam in the Silver Back's foot. If you want to kill us, with time, you can. I hope that does not happen and that we can finish our career wearing Alaska wings. Alaska has survived a lot of hard times in the past, I hope that we can rise to this current challenge, compete, and stay independent.
There are girls who have been around the block and then there are tour guides. Alaska is a tour guide. We are very good prostitutes.
Delta wanted us to go steady and maybe even get married. Alaska wasn't ready to settle down.
I understand that Delta wanted more exclusive feed from us. I also understand and agree with our management that if we did that we would be painting ourselves into a corner and eventually we would be unable to remain independent.
I hope our management made the right move. Time will tell.
I have no desire to wear a double breasted sub commanders uniform and commute to heaven knows where for the rest of my career. I like our little airline, I love the flying that we do and our Alaska culture. I also understand that we are just toe jam in the Silver Back's foot. If you want to kill us, with time, you can. I hope that does not happen and that we can finish our career wearing Alaska wings. Alaska has survived a lot of hard times in the past, I hope that we can rise to this current challenge, compete, and stay independent.
04-16-2014, 10:08 AM
#110
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Originally Posted by Mudhen200
If you want to kill us, with time, you can. I hope that does not happen and that we can finish our career wearing Alaska wings. Alaska has survived a lot of hard times in the past, I hope that we can rise to this current challenge, compete, and stay independent.
You just can't bogart Seattle anymore.
(Can I use bogart as a verb now that you guys have legalized pot?)
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