Logging of augmented crew time
05-22-2025 | 06:35 PM
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05-22-2025 | 08:14 PM
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I must admit I'm baffled. Not new to flying, but never done augmented. The only reference I could find was that towards required experience during OE only time in seat counted. I would like to see an actual reference that allows 3 SICs to log the entire flight when only 2 SICs (or even 1)would be required for 121 rules. Not trying to be argumentative, just curious. I would have thought the PIC gets to log the whole flight, because he is the captain for the duration, and every one else only logs time in seat. All based on my ignorance in this matter.
05-23-2025 | 08:58 AM
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Which airline would ever agree to a CbA provision that exceeds FAR requirements?
If you’re required log it, if you’re not then don’t.
I’ve continued to log seat time after OE as it seemed a wise thing to do.
Total this flight XX, seat time X.
It ain’t lying’.
05-23-2025 | 12:19 PM
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News to me.
Which airline would ever agree to a CbA provision that exceeds FAR requirements?
If you’re required log it, if you’re not then don’t.
I’ve continued to log seat time after OE as it seemed a wise thing to do.
Total this flight XX, seat time X.
It ain’t lying’.
Which airline would ever agree to a CbA provision that exceeds FAR requirements?
If you’re required log it, if you’re not then don’t.
I’ve continued to log seat time after OE as it seemed a wise thing to do.
Total this flight XX, seat time X.
It ain’t lying’.
05-24-2025 | 01:20 AM
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News to me.
Which airline would ever agree to a CbA provision that exceeds FAR requirements?
If you’re required log it, if you’re not then don’t.
I’ve continued to log seat time after OE as it seemed a wise thing to do.
Total this flight XX, seat time X.
It ain’t lying’.
Which airline would ever agree to a CbA provision that exceeds FAR requirements?
If you’re required log it, if you’re not then don’t.
I’ve continued to log seat time after OE as it seemed a wise thing to do.
Total this flight XX, seat time X.
It ain’t lying’.
05-24-2025 | 03:51 AM
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I must admit I'm baffled. Not new to flying, but never done augmented. The only reference I could find was that towards required experience during OE only time in seat counted. I would like to see an actual reference that allows 3 SICs to log the entire flight when only 2 SICs (or even 1)would be required for 121 rules. Not trying to be argumentative, just curious. I would have thought the PIC gets to log the whole flight, because he is the captain for the duration, and every one else only logs time in seat. All based on my ignorance in this matter.
Ya this whole discussion is a bit silly. As a WB FO, I logged the entire flight as SIC. I'm not going to break out SIC time becuase who really keeps track of that. I'm a required crewmember either by the FAR or the PWA. I'd never log PIC as an FO. No need to over think think too much.
Because there are two sides in that negotiation.
05-24-2025 | 06:50 PM
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Ya this whole discussion is a bit silly. As a WB FO, I logged the entire flight as SIC. I'm not going to break out SIC time becuase who really keeps track of that. I'm a required crewmember either by the FAR or the PWA. I'd never log PIC as an FO. No need to over think think too much.
Because there are two sides in that negotiation.
Because there are two sides in that negotiation.
This is not hard and is straight out of the FAR
(f) Logging second-in-command flight time. A person may log second-in-command time only for that flight time during which that person:
(1) Is qualified in accordance with the second-in-command requirements of §61.55, and occupies a crewmember station in an aircraft that requires more than one pilot by the aircraft’s type certificate
the key here for SIC is “occupies as crewmember station “
the bunk is not a crew member station
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