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Old 06-12-2014 | 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Beaver Hunter
We have to vote them all out.
Wouldn't change anything. You have to fix the system. By fix I mean put it back the way it was.

Term limits and the repeal of the 17th Amendment.


For those that don't know, states used to appoint Senate reps. The 17th amendment made it a popular vote, and thus put them up "for sale."

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Old 06-12-2014 | 09:00 AM
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Not sure I get the problem. The Asian carriers already fly with Asian crews. Why Is Norwegian a bigger safety issue? I see The legacies might lose competitive advantage, but is that the governments problem?
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Old 06-12-2014 | 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Joachim
Not sure I get the problem. The Asian carriers already fly with Asian crews. Why Is Norwegian a bigger safety issue? I see The legacies might lose competitive advantage, but is that the governments problem?

Yes, the BKK based cabin crew at NLH make twice what a Thai Airways flight attendant makes. Not that it's a lot of money, but it makes some of the ALPA arguments against this rather thin. Especially so when American Airlines has Buenos Aries based flight attendants on 1/3 the pay of their U.S. based counterparts. Just a tad hypocritical. UAL and DAL also have/had foreign based crew on lower T&Cs for decades.



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Old 06-12-2014 | 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Typhoonpilot
Yes, the BKK based cabin crew at NLH make twice what a Thai Airways flight attendant makes. Not that it's a lot of money, but it makes some of the ALPA arguments against this rather thin. Especially so when American Airlines has Buenos Aries based flight attendants on 1/3 the pay of their U.S. based counterparts. Just a tad hypocritical. UAL and DAL also have/had foreign based crew on lower T&Cs for decades.



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It is a bit hypocritical. But the argument you are going to get, especially from some, is this is America. Screw everyone else. It is what I have picked up with 5th Freedom discussions, and everything in between. Don't bother that Singapore goes from Houston to Moscow, or New York to Frankfurt. Delta goes all over the place out of Asia. "What to do?" Hope all is well Typhoon with the new gig!
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Old 06-12-2014 | 02:28 PM
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Am I the only one who think this smells likeALPA is doing dirty work for the legacies?
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Old 06-12-2014 | 04:30 PM
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disregard............
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Old 06-12-2014 | 04:47 PM
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NLH has a US foreign air carrier permit and operates out of Norway.

NAI is a "subsidiary" that has an Irish operating certificate, but plans to operate out of Norway and never go to Ireland.

NLH uses crews in compliance with Norwegian labor laws.

NAI wants to use Singaporean/Thai crews.
It does NOT comply with Norwegian labor law.
It does NOT comply with Section 17 bis of the US-EU open skies agreement.

ALPA and the US airline industry do not oppose Norwegian Long Haul (NLH) from continuing to operate into the United States.

The opposition is to granting a foreign air carrier certificate to an entity (NAI) whose structure is non-compliant with laws and treaties.
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Old 06-12-2014 | 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by shiznit
The opposition is to granting a foreign air carrier certificate to an entity (NAI) whose structure is non-compliant with laws and treaties.
The sad thing is that we have to fight this in our Congress. If they are non-compliant, they should be denied without a second thought. And yet here we are trying to make the DOT enforce it's regulations.

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Old 06-12-2014 | 05:44 PM
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The irony of all these posts is pure hypocrisy claiming unfair labour laws abroad. How many chest beaters purchase goods from Home Depot, K-Mart, Walmart, or even Lowes, whose wares are manufactured overseas with cheap labor in China, Bangladesh, Indonesia, and Mongolia by in-prisoned North Koreans, to name a few?

How many chest beaters are banging the doors, in their own backyards demanding that outsourced cabin crew employed by their own airlines be paid at least what their American counter parts are?
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Old 06-12-2014 | 07:19 PM
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America...Rock, Flag, and Eagle!!
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