Airline captains renew effort to up retirement age
#11
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Joined APC: Aug 2006
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Quite simply, if there's no safety reason to force retirement on otherwise healthy, competent pilots, there's no REAL reason. What we have now is smoke and mirrors.
#13
How did Harry Vote!
I just wonder how much zeal good ole Harry Ballance felt about age 60 years ago when other airlines lost retirements? (TWA, Eastern, Pan Am,...)Pilot pensions going to PBGC is nothing new! I'm sure he was just as outspoken as a young FO about how unfair it was! When ALPA did ther polls, I'm sure he admittently wanted ALPA to change the rule 20-30 years agot .
So much for brotherhood! Those who did not support it years ago, are hypocrites (msp, to many drinks) now!!! Only important becuase now it is THEM.
So much for brotherhood! Those who did not support it years ago, are hypocrites (msp, to many drinks) now!!! Only important becuase now it is THEM.
#14
I just wonder how much zeal good ole Harry Ballance felt about age 60 years ago when other airlines lost retirements? (TWA, Eastern, Pan Am,...)Pilot pensions going to PBGC is nothing new! I'm sure he was just as outspoken as a young FO about how unfair it was! When ALPA did ther polls, I'm sure he admittently wanted ALPA to change the rule 20-30 years agot .
So much for brotherhood! Those who did not support it years ago, are hypocrites (msp, to many drinks) now!!! Only important becuase now it is THEM.
So much for brotherhood! Those who did not support it years ago, are hypocrites (msp, to many drinks) now!!! Only important becuase now it is THEM.
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#16
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I disagree with the statement that age 60 isn't about safety. If there is absolutely no problem flying over 60, then why does one pilot have to be under 60? Is it possible that it isn't a good idea to have two old dudes at the controls?
Can you imagine the scheduling hassles involved with this if only one pilot can be over the age of 60?
And why limit the age to 65? Isn't that arbitrary as well?
I don't see this thing passing for at least a few years, and I hope it never does. The old guys couldn't take care of their retirement and are now crying. They had the opportunity to take advantage of age 60 up until now, and now they want more. Enjoy your retirement, I know it may not be as grand as you hoped, but unless you are an idiot, you should have a nice nest egg since you enjoyed the best contracts this industry will see in years...
Can you imagine the scheduling hassles involved with this if only one pilot can be over the age of 60?
And why limit the age to 65? Isn't that arbitrary as well?
I don't see this thing passing for at least a few years, and I hope it never does. The old guys couldn't take care of their retirement and are now crying. They had the opportunity to take advantage of age 60 up until now, and now they want more. Enjoy your retirement, I know it may not be as grand as you hoped, but unless you are an idiot, you should have a nice nest egg since you enjoyed the best contracts this industry will see in years...
#17
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Joined APC: Apr 2006
Posts: 1,151
Well, the same thing could be said about "bitter young men" .
Bitter because times are changing and they may not get that coveted left seat exactly when they wanted it. How about the "bitter young men and women" who lost their pensions at Enron, WorldCom (insert your favorite bankrupt company here)?
I know one thing though, at least in thier industry they can work up to 65 to try and make up for their lost pensions. Why can't a pilot do so if he is physically and mentally capable?
Bitter because times are changing and they may not get that coveted left seat exactly when they wanted it. How about the "bitter young men and women" who lost their pensions at Enron, WorldCom (insert your favorite bankrupt company here)?
I know one thing though, at least in thier industry they can work up to 65 to try and make up for their lost pensions. Why can't a pilot do so if he is physically and mentally capable?
#18
That, my friend, is a political compromise. It's as simple as that.
#19
Not if anyone over 60 cannot serve as PIC in 121 operations ...
In other words, to the right seat, just like the FE panel has been a 60+ place of refuge.
Seems like a reasonable comprimise that no one is interested in ...
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