Yep, Packrat definitely never was military.

Actually, I am probably one of the few legacy pilots that has actually taken the time to talk to some of the regional pilots face to face. Spent an evening the other day with an Endeavor pilot who thankfully helped me figure out how to get on a FedEx jumpseat to get from JFK to MEM. In that process, I found out a little more about EtD and some of the other things going on in the regional world. I am very simpatico for the plight of the regional pilot. To intimate otherwise is frankly insulting. As a matter of fact, if you want to read back thru the L&G thread, there are posts that were condemning regional pilots as essentially scabbing and taking "our jobs". I defended the regional pilots. I know that your goal is to get where I am and you want to do what is necessary to get here. You have to play the hand that is dealt, and unfortunately it has been crappy for the last 15 years. I was going to apologize for my original comment to the 88 captain that started this thread. It was a little over the top. I do wonder though at what point he decided the job was so horrible that it warrants comment, but not departure from said job.

Guess what, square? There's a whole world of aviation out there that you have no clue about going directly from the Air Force to the Borg. To say you know all about the Regionals because you lowered yourself to actually talk to a Regional pilot (only because YOU couldn't figure out how to get a FedEx jumpseat) is like Sissy Spacek testifying before Congress on a Farm Bill because she "played a farm wife" in a movie.

We're all very impressed with your Godlike ability to fly a 767, but in the end it doesn't make you an astronaut, a fighter pilot, a helicopter pilot, a fire tanker pilot OR a young regional stud who wants to be just like (horrors!) you.

wow..........

Wasn't that the one with mel gibson?

So, this means Packrat can probably find the airport visually and land by looking outside the windshield without the aid of an FMS loaded visual-approach w/ snowflake?.....:)

My first post!

This is a very useful thread............................................ .... Way to keep it on point guys.........

And doesn't need the assistance of the FO (well maybe just to pull down the gear). :D



True! Lets get back on bashing G4 ;)

Cute first post :p - but I think Pack really has done it all including Helos.

Well, it's such a heavy topic, a little playful banter became necessary.

I Suppose.. I just couldn't find my yard stick for the #@!% measuring contest... So I felt a little left out.

My apologies, carry on ;)

Lemmie help ya out there Time2Fly. :D

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Thanks for the help :D
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Why do you guys there at G4 think this has come about? I didn't look up all the financials , but the stock is definitely sky high. I assume you're (the company) is getting good to great returns, so why drop the hammer on the work force as it seems they've done?

Just doesn't make long-term sense. I mean I guess you could say just to eek out a bit more in bonuses or stock options in the short- term, and I guess that flies. But really, the kind of thing that the OP posted are things that push you (your company) into dangerous waters going forward.

Just wondering aloud what the motivation could be.


P.S. Also a Delta guy and former regional guy. Tsquare most definitely does not speak for us all.

Your ruler starts out at 4? How can anybody compete?

Delta equals the Borg. Love it. Retired military andTwenty five years at the "Borg" and now eight years out....yes, there is another whole world of aviation out there. "I actually talked to a regional pilot". Priceless. And DAL pilots wonder why there isn't a lot of love lost for them. Good luck G4 guys.

Yea thats all it was, just a little poke for fun...It's like taking a pot-shot at Hipsters, too easy to pass up.......I'm completely average, just like the next clown......

....i've never done this online-forum thing before, everyones wound so tight..... just like at our respective airlines I guess.....i've learned in all these years not to take this stuff so seriously anymore......the careers totally trashed for a lot of folks....it's become a pretty sad way to have to eek out an existence....especially for the poor bastards who have to commute to this garbage......my wife keeps asking me questions about why the industry is the way it is and everything that comes along with it...i cant even produce answers anymore, out of ammo....

Greed.

That's it. Not to mention a fundamental hatred for labor (especially ORGANIZED labor). We are not considered assets. We are not viewed as the only thing that has prevented an event with catastrophic loss of life. We are not seen as the ones who keep the operation going in spite of the way the operation is structured. Nope, we are viewed as obstacles. Obstacles that get in the way of multi-million dollar dividends and stock buybacks for the largest shareholders (who just happen to be the ones running the company). The stock price is all that matters. Safety? Customer Service? Employee relations? Ha! Poppycock!

It's what you get when you click on one of those internet ads that say you can enlarge your manhood. :(

The other product they offered was a piece of string and a brick but I was a little suspicious when they said it was "half off."

Wow.......

I know that T is a bit confused, and I worry about a little schizophrenia there also. See, he really does care, because he responded and he asked me how I am enjoying retirement. That's so nice of him. Maybe we can get him, by the end of next month to hit 12,000 posts in just over six years. He must go through withdrawal when he's out of his basement, not posting. Could be a record for a non moderator. All in good fun there T.

My question is to G4, is where is the FSDO and POI in all of this? Is there a safety culture that allows for reporting of events with no ramifications? In this day and age of SMS's, it would seem inconceivable that there is a "major" airline operating in this manner, if all is true that is related here.

I always had heard fairly good stuff about G4.

We've hired some safety people. Problem is that when you tell them a problem, they tell it to someone who doesn't care and doesn't want to change. It stops there.

Good example is yet another pseudo engine failure last week on the airbus. It hit a bird in the engine and air returned. They replaced two blades and sent it back out full of passengers without test running it. It took off and had to declare an emergency and land one engine idle because it was so out of whack. When told that they should have balanced it and then tested it they replied that it wasn't required. End of story.

There's dozens of stories like this where something could be fixed with common sense but is blocked by someone up high in dispatch or stations or maintenance who says "it isn't required so we won't do it".

Our work rules are the FARs. Why would things be any different when it comes to safety? Unless it's mandated they must do it they don't.

Just of curiosity, why there are no calls placed to the FAA hotline about these incidences? I know some airlines have the FSDOs in their pockets but at least this way you will be raising some eyebrows in DC.

Wow. Paint with a broad brush much? :confused:

I watch my CAs consistently treat OAL pilots with respect, including regional guys. I've seen plenty of DAL guys(myself included) sit on FA jump seats so that OAL pilots could sit on the flight deck jumpseat. Just a few months ago, two mainline pilots took FA jump seats so that regional pilots could sit in the flight deck jumpseats.

Also, based on the number of apps DAL is drowning in, I'd say your opinion is rarely shared.

Good luck to the G4 pilots. It might be time to call ALPA.

+1 seeing this first hand I completely agree.

I can't agree with this enough! Never been treated with anything but respect when j/s on Delta. The guys are great, extremely friendly, always made me feel at home.

Delta's planes? Old tin cans held together with bailing wire and speed tape, had to return to the gate a couple of times, but they get the job done.

Out of curiosity, what are the bases for Allegiant?

See the "Airline Profiles" link at the top of the page....

Nothing like a RTO out of LAS this morning to start our Sundays.....

Two in a row, just for good measure.

Hahaha no way!!! 2 already today??

Allegiant sounds like Trans States of the mid 90's. It was so bad and the (true) stories seemingly so outrageous I had to stop telling outsiders. After a while I realized people flat out didn't believe me. To someone who hasn't worked for a company like this they think you are embellishing, whining, disgruntled or just insane. Sadly pilots will go to G4 and then realize the info here is spot on. What you need to realize is a company like this is a VERY dangerous place to work. The risks are failed checkrides, FAA certificate action or worse. From a long term career point of view it's not worth the risk. On your dream job interview they will ask you to explain said deficiencies and they won't believe any of your "outrageous" stories that seem to shift blame away from you.

Like the original poster said, you have been warned.

This is the most important point I see. No matter where you fly, certificate action will likely end any chance for a top tier aviation job at either a Major or corporate. Further, a failed checkride can be done to you on purpose to make you unmarketable...thus making you a "loyal" Allegiant lifer.

Nothing is more important than your certificate, your medical, and your professional record. For those that stay, please be careful. I'd like to see all of you guys here at the Borg.

Carl

maybe the CA should have stepped up? I mean, not for anything but who the hell Takes off in an airplane that just had two blades replaced without at least a runup?

if the crew feared company discipline, well maybe a Union is looooooooooooooong overdue?

The air returns that the Airbus had happened over the course of 2 days, with 2 different crews.

The union (Teamsters) is here. Unfortunately we have to go through the RLA steps before we can get "self help" or whatever you call it ;)

Trust me, we are all fired up and ready to roll, just waiting on the word...

Dude, I'm pretty sure the reason you haven't made it to a major isn't because you're from a regional, but your lousy attitude. Yeah, I made it, but I pumped gas, instructed, flew cancelled checks, and did the regional thing for five years, so I understand the trials and tribulations of the industry. I've flown with lots of military and civilian pilots, and the overwhelming majority are good people. I hope you end up where you want to be, but you'll need a serious attitude adjustment to make it happen, IMO.

Allegiant seems like an overgrown 135 operation.

More like an old mom n pop flight school tearing at the seams........:D

What is funny, is that a lot of 135 guys would consider Allegiant "making it" which is very sad.