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scambo1 08-16-2014 11:13 PM


Originally Posted by Hillbilly (Post 1706894)
I can't put my finger on it yet, but when I read her letters I get the feeling I'm about to hear Paul Harvey's voice kick in with the familiar "and now, for the rest of the story."

In general, I would agree with you except, she names too many names and occasions which leads me to believe she has both documented hard evidence and no concern about being proven libelous. In other words, her account is honest.

Hillbilly 08-16-2014 11:23 PM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1706907)
In general, I would agree with you except, she names too many names and occasions which leads me to believe she has both documented hard evidence and no concern about being proven libelous. In other words, her account is honest.


That may very well be the case.


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Carl Spackler 08-16-2014 11:29 PM


Originally Posted by Hillbilly (Post 1706904)
I'm not defending Lee Moak at all. If my post gave anyone that impression it was certainly not my intent. I just think her statements are like those of many political people, Moak included, in that they don't always reveal the entire story.

I'm glad to hear that because your posts did give me that impression.

But I don't see what you're seeing with Heidi. I've read her letters closely and do not see political double speak. In fact, her letters read to me like a transcript of facts that she can back up. What am I missing? Can you give me some examples of her letters not revealing the whole story, or typical politician-speak?

Carl

Hillbilly 08-16-2014 11:53 PM

No I can't point to anything specific in her letters Carl. Her letters just gave me that gut feeling. I could be wrong.

The letters also left me with the impression that she was someone who had been getting stuff done at UALPA. A shaker and a mover if you will, being their legislative affairs committee chairman and appearing to be so involved with the inner workings of everything going on with all the details and specifics she provided. When I asked a good friend from United about her, his response was "I've never heard of her." I took that from my own perspective of what that would look like if he asked me who Dino was. I couldn't imagine having paid any attention at all over the years and not know who he was or have at least heard of him. It struck me as odd and did nothing to mitigate the cautionary feeling I had from originally reading the letters.

Her accounts may be entirely truthful and it is possible that she would do good things for us all if elected. I just don't know. I would expect to see significant United line pilot support for her if that is the case. Either way, I tip my hat to her for at least stepping up to the plate.


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Skyone 08-17-2014 05:05 AM

Cry me a friggin river. Moak showed his true colors during the DAL BK, basically taking a bribe on ALPA's behalf to not make objections (grievances) to the termination of the pilot pension plan. No grievance to the termination of the unqualified pensions either. He should have been sued for racketeering but the statute of limitations ran out. Old news, but skunks don't change their stripes.

Why would you expect anything different from this POS MINO (Marine In Name Only).

Alan Shore 08-17-2014 08:33 AM


Originally Posted by Skyone (Post 1706971)
Moak showed his true colors during the DAL BK, basically taking a bribe on ALPA's behalf to not make objections (grievances) to the termination of the pilot pension plan.

That "bribe" put $650M into our collective DC accounts that, when combined with the claim, gave us about a $2B headstart on replacing a DB plan that, by all accounts, we would have lost one way or the other.


Originally Posted by Skyone (Post 1706971)
No grievance to the termination of the unqualified pensions either.

I don't know much about R&I stuff, but aren't unqualified funds always at risk if the carrier goes under or the plan is terminated?

badflaps 08-17-2014 10:20 AM

The sad thing is, the independent pilot retirement fund had plenty of money in it when DAL took over administration in 1972. What does that tell you?

Falcon7 08-17-2014 10:29 AM


Originally Posted by badflaps (Post 1707123)
The sad thing is, the independent pilot retirement fund had plenty of money in it when DAL took over administration in 1972. What does that tell you?

Two things, get a pension in your own name that you control and don't rely on your airline to fund your pension. :(

Alan Shore 08-17-2014 10:34 AM


Originally Posted by Falcon7 (Post 1707129)
Two things, get a pension in your own name that you control and don't rely on your airline to fund your pension. :(

Agreed....

badflaps 08-17-2014 01:42 PM


Originally Posted by Falcon7 (Post 1707129)
Two things, get a pension in your own name that you control and don't rely on your airline to fund your pension. :(

But they promised..........


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