jetBlue is ALPA and Virgin is about to be soon. What would you expect ALPA to do against pilots for something that their management decides to do that is well outside a pilot CBA?

 

AA/Etihad have a codeshare as well. If they are protesting these carriers then why do they have a codeshare?
http://www.aa.com/i18n/aboutUs/codes...ers/etihad.jsp

And Qatar joined the Oneworld alliance. ***?
http://www.qatarairways.com/us/en/co...-partners.page

 

My guess is this is what will happen. The big 3 US partner up with the big 3 ME. Money is power, and right now they have it. We will get the short end of the stick when it comes to the ratios though. It will be sold as a win, sorta like age 65.

 

Nothing against pilots, how about the companies they work for? It's not really well outside of a CBA. Scope is section 1 in most CBA's. We all saw how far behind the curve ALPA was on scope in the late 90's and saw a decade lost to outsourcing flying to RJ's. Will ALPA be just as far behind the curve on this issue and allow ALPA represented carriers to code share and sign JV's with ME carriers?

Last time I checked DALPA had code share limitations in section 1 regarding the Alaska code share. What kind of code share limitations does Alaska have in regards to the Emirates deal? What will JetBlue and VA negotiate in their first ALPA contracts?

With that said, it may be easier to control the growth by being involved in extensive code share's or JV's with the ME carriers.

 

I missed the part where you were forced to work for that pay.

How about a little personal responsibility?

 

Well I suppose the simple answer is while in the rest of the world you can roll into an A320/330 or 777 at 250-500 hrs, in the US most civilian pilots have work at the regional airlines which have ALPA-sanctioned poverty wages. If Delta/American/United hired pilots at 250-500 hrs then the regional stepping-platform wouldn't exist.

 

I don't know DALPA's contract but I imagine the Alaska codeshare limitation is a result of domestic flying scope. Not many airline pilot contracts can stop their airline from obtaining a codeshare agreement with a foreign airline. Codesharing for LCCs like jetBlue and Virgin helps the LCCs get traffic out to international arenas where they have no service. If someone wants to book on jetBlue or Virgin going to Dubai from Chicago, they cannot. But jetBlue and Virgin's codeshare with Emirates allows that passenger to book a flight from ORD to Dubai via a domestic jetBlue/Virgin leg and then a connection to Emirates. This brings in revenue to jetBlue/Virgin. And lets admit that jetBlue/Virgin are probably never going to Dubai.

And didn't AA sign a JV with Qatar Airways?

 

"ALPA-sanctioned? Really?

As I recall, which PD alluded to as well, nobody was holding a gun to your head, forcing you to work for those wages. Guess what would happen if the Regional airline industry had ZERO applicants to choose from? Maybe the "regional stepping-platform" WAGES wouldn't exist like they do today!

 

Everyone wants to work at a major/legacy. All of them require turbine time. Military is an option as are come corporate/cargo gigs. But for the most part the overwhelming majority of civilian guys have to go through regional airlines to meet the mins for the legacy/major airlines. But that's not the point....

Lets call a spade a spade. It is an outsourced feeder operation flying your Delta logo slapped on RJs flying at one time nearly 50% of your Delta feed with outsourced pilots making less than half what you make. Instead of turning this on the regional pilots, how about "guess what would have happened if legacy pilots stood up for what's right and not allow RJs to be outsourced in the first place in the 90s starting with Comair?" That's the better question. Those jets should be operated at the legacy airline. Delta has a published CRJ-900 payrate. Compare that to every single DCI carrier. See how many CRJ-900s are operated by Delta Air Lines and how many operated by regionals operating as Delta Connection. How about we fix that problem instead of blaming regional pilots for accepting regional wages which they are only doing to try and make it to your carrier?

 

They didn't sign a JV, but Qatar joined OneWorld. There is a huge difference between a code-share alliance partner and a JV partner. Still be interesting to see how that relationship works out with AA after the report that the big 3 sent out this week. I'm sure AA was pressured by some of the European carriers to let them into OneWorld.