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#131
Yes, a jetliner is much easier to automate because it always remains in a controlled environment.
The advantage of single pilot is that you get to go direct everywhere with no delays. You guys are trying to apply single pilot to the current system, and that won't work. It requires a new system that is currently in development.
All a hacker could do is change the aircraft's destination airport. That's the future of flying, your flight plan is LGA direct ATL for example. The computer knows where all other aircraft are, so it plots a trajectory to avoid conflict. There is no altitude selector, heading selector, no ILS's, no VOR's, no airways, and no ATC to talk to. The first pilot is there to simply take manual control if all automation fails. What does the second pilot do in that situation?
The advantage of single pilot is that you get to go direct everywhere with no delays. You guys are trying to apply single pilot to the current system, and that won't work. It requires a new system that is currently in development.
All a hacker could do is change the aircraft's destination airport. That's the future of flying, your flight plan is LGA direct ATL for example. The computer knows where all other aircraft are, so it plots a trajectory to avoid conflict. There is no altitude selector, heading selector, no ILS's, no VOR's, no airways, and no ATC to talk to. The first pilot is there to simply take manual control if all automation fails. What does the second pilot do in that situation?
The airlines love it when the government, via the FAA and NASA try to solve economic issues for them, but this is like going hunting with a Hellen Keller Labrador retriever and Dick Cheney, it will be fun to watch, from a long distance. And given our latest German mass murderer, what if he was the guy in controll/monitoring of 10-12 flights from the ground?
#132
I have actually had passengers ask me if my F/O was old enought to drive? I have never had a passenger ask me if I was. So all the old guy/gummer haters, have another reason to hate us, our bichen cars, multiple houses, hot girlfriends, and now our track records. Toss in our astounding inability to care about spelling and/or grammar, should push many over, the already close edge.
#133
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The military drones have a very different mission, and are far and way more complicated than a single pilot aircraft would need to be.
I don't know why we are having an argument about whether the tech exists or not, it most certainly does. With 3D chips, machine learning computers are about the size of an iPhone, and cost less than $500 to make. 5 years ago, it would have taken the computer the size of a football field, and $10 million plus to drive a car by itself. The technology for single pilot has been here only very recently. The focus should be on making sure we don't allow the regs to change to make this possible. If the FAA allows 121 single pilot, in 5 years we will be transitioning to single pilot, count on it, even the current fleet can be retrofitted for single pilot in just a few years.
I don't know why we are having an argument about whether the tech exists or not, it most certainly does. With 3D chips, machine learning computers are about the size of an iPhone, and cost less than $500 to make. 5 years ago, it would have taken the computer the size of a football field, and $10 million plus to drive a car by itself. The technology for single pilot has been here only very recently. The focus should be on making sure we don't allow the regs to change to make this possible. If the FAA allows 121 single pilot, in 5 years we will be transitioning to single pilot, count on it, even the current fleet can be retrofitted for single pilot in just a few years.
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To impliment "ground link" is incredibly expensive though. It can be done easily with modern technology, but not at a cost cheaper than the 3rd pilot. The 4th pilot on ULH flights may be on the chopping block eventually though, as that wouldn't require any self flying hocus pocus.
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All a hacker could do is change the aircraft's destination airport. That's the future of flying, your flight plan is LGA direct ATL for example. The computer knows where all other aircraft are, so it plots a trajectory to avoid conflict. There is no altitude selector, heading selector, no ILS's, no VOR's, no airways, and no ATC to talk to. The first pilot is there to simply take manual control if all automation fails. What does the second pilot do in that situation?
First off, if the automation fails, what makes you assume this will always be a single failure? Now you've got a guy hand flying and trying to troubleshoot. Good luck with that one.
Let's talk about the airspace in the Northeast. One guy gets deviated. With as close spacing as you are talking, this could have a ripple effect, affecting the "plotted trajectory" of thousands of aircraft.
How do you handle thunderstorms? How about moderate chop FL300 and above? All these aircraft have "plotted trajectories" and the system has just been kinked by environmental factors. Can you fathom the logistical nightmare that will be created? Throw in a failure and it is a nightmare scenario.
Oh, and what if there's a datalink failure? You've got 500 airplanes in a single sector with automation failure now. That's got disaster written all over it.
Last, you cannot do this without either completely eliminating or incorporating GA. Do you propose we ground every single 172 and Learjet to implement this system?
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You're overly-simplistic view on this reflects on your lack of experience as a pilot.
First off, if the automation fails, what makes you assume this will always be a single failure? Now you've got a guy hand flying and trying to troubleshoot. Good luck with that one.
Let's talk about the airspace in the Northeast. One guy gets deviated. With as close spacing as you are talking, this could have a ripple effect, affecting the "plotted trajectory" of thousands of aircraft.
How do you handle thunderstorms? How about moderate chop FL300 and above? All these aircraft have "plotted trajectories" and the system has just been kinked by environmental factors. Can you fathom the logistical nightmare that will be created? Throw in a failure and it is a nightmare scenario.
Oh, and what if there's a datalink failure? You've got 500 airplanes in a single sector with automation failure now. That's got disaster written all over it.
Last, you cannot do this without either completely eliminating or incorporating GA. Do you propose we ground every single 172 and Learjet to implement this system?
First off, if the automation fails, what makes you assume this will always be a single failure? Now you've got a guy hand flying and trying to troubleshoot. Good luck with that one.
Let's talk about the airspace in the Northeast. One guy gets deviated. With as close spacing as you are talking, this could have a ripple effect, affecting the "plotted trajectory" of thousands of aircraft.
How do you handle thunderstorms? How about moderate chop FL300 and above? All these aircraft have "plotted trajectories" and the system has just been kinked by environmental factors. Can you fathom the logistical nightmare that will be created? Throw in a failure and it is a nightmare scenario.
Oh, and what if there's a datalink failure? You've got 500 airplanes in a single sector with automation failure now. That's got disaster written all over it.
Last, you cannot do this without either completely eliminating or incorporating GA. Do you propose we ground every single 172 and Learjet to implement this system?
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