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03-13-2015, 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Sr. Barco
Single pilot ops will happen in our lifetime.
An FO I know had a Fed in the jumpseat last year whose sole job for the past 2 years has been working on a complete new set of FARs specific to single pilot 121 ops. The Fed told him this is not a mere rewrite but a ground up, quantum leap in the entire operation. He went on to say they have the rules written and are near approval for long haul, over water, single pilot cargo ops. Sure it will take a while for all parties to spool up but the aircraft technology is already here.
Until we see trains without a conductor we won't see pilotless airliners but single pilot ops is inevitable in my opinion. The upside is no one will ever have to endure 18 years as an FO! Start saving now...
An FO I know had a Fed in the jumpseat last year whose sole job for the past 2 years has been working on a complete new set of FARs specific to single pilot 121 ops. The Fed told him this is not a mere rewrite but a ground up, quantum leap in the entire operation. He went on to say they have the rules written and are near approval for long haul, over water, single pilot cargo ops. Sure it will take a while for all parties to spool up but the aircraft technology is already here.
Until we see trains without a conductor we won't see pilotless airliners but single pilot ops is inevitable in my opinion. The upside is no one will ever have to endure 18 years as an FO! Start saving now...
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PS Some trains are already running without conductors as in ATL and other airports.
03-13-2015, 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by DENpilot
Never mind any terroristic scenario. The only thing that usually keeps my forehead from making contact with the glareshield during a 4 hour flight is the guy sitting next to me.
With single pilot operations, you're still asking a single pilot to:
-Stay alert and focused with no human contact for hours on end.
-Clear traffic/obstacles both left and right after push, during taxi out and taxi-in.
-Look for traffic in the air.
-Assume he's on the correct routing, taxi route, making the right real time calls.
-Tune radios, run checklists, talk to ATC, talk to FAs, talk to pax
AND MOST IMPORTANT:
This turns back years of progress on CRM by essentially making the CA "god" again, enabling him to make unilateral, real-time decisions with little to no input from others.
Will. Not. Happen.
With single pilot operations, you're still asking a single pilot to:
-Stay alert and focused with no human contact for hours on end.
-Clear traffic/obstacles both left and right after push, during taxi out and taxi-in.
-Look for traffic in the air.
-Assume he's on the correct routing, taxi route, making the right real time calls.
-Tune radios, run checklists, talk to ATC, talk to FAs, talk to pax
AND MOST IMPORTANT:
This turns back years of progress on CRM by essentially making the CA "god" again, enabling him to make unilateral, real-time decisions with little to no input from others.
Will. Not. Happen.
03-13-2015, 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by china clipper
I think we will see significant progress on this within the next ten years. My guess is that we will first see this with freighters and long haul flights that today require two crew complements. It will be a gradual process until we eventually see pilotless flights.
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PS Some trains are already running without conductors as in ATL and other airports.
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PS Some trains are already running without conductors as in ATL and other airports.
03-13-2015, 06:30 PM
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Actually reducing train crews to single engineer is very controversial. Congress is studying it; holding hearings and the FRA is not convinced, neither are the unions.
As to what can go wrong, have you read the papers of Lpac Megantic, Lynchburg and other wrecks?
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As to what can go wrong, have you read the papers of Lpac Megantic, Lynchburg and other wrecks?
GF
03-13-2015, 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by disco inferno
Trains are on tracks. Pretty hard to screw that up isn't it?
Pilots are an intermediary between ATC, and the aircraft systems, eliminate ATC, and you can get rid of one pilot.
03-13-2015, 06:34 PM
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Pretty soon Humans won't be necessary. Where are all the jobs for humans going to be, fixing the robots? Really, where is this taking the human race...extinction?
Who ever said no more 18 year F/O is right, now there will only be HALF the Pilot jobs. Milliminums will love it though, it's all an electronic World, just pull up a virtual Pilot video...but hey, they can still text!
Who ever said no more 18 year F/O is right, now there will only be HALF the Pilot jobs. Milliminums will love it though, it's all an electronic World, just pull up a virtual Pilot video...but hey, they can still text!
03-13-2015, 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by china clipper
I think we will see significant progress on this within the next ten years. My guess is that we will first see this with freighters and long haul flights that today require two crew complements. It will be a gradual process until we eventually see pilotless flights.
CC
PS Some trains are already running without conductors as in ATL and other airports.
CC
PS Some trains are already running without conductors as in ATL and other airports.
Maybe it's true, but I've heard nothing of this in the FAA, so it must be "top-secret".
Still, this is coming, just like self-driving cars are coming.
03-13-2015, 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Flint Stone
Pretty soon Humans won't be necessary. Where are all the jobs for humans going to be, fixing the robots? Really, where is this taking the human race...extinction?
Who ever said no more 18 year F/O is right, now there will only be HALF the Pilot jobs. Milliminums will love it though, it's all an electronic World, just pull up a virtual Pilot video...but hey, they can still text!
Who ever said no more 18 year F/O is right, now there will only be HALF the Pilot jobs. Milliminums will love it though, it's all an electronic World, just pull up a virtual Pilot video...but hey, they can still text!
Cars are built by robotics, parts, computers, the same. Manufacturing is all to automation and robotics. Hell, even the farmers machinery runs the fields fully automated and on a precision GPS track.
What worries me is humans are populating this world more and more each year, yet each year more and more corporations are automating and removing the human work force one by one. What are we all do do?
Thank God for Obamacare and free Obama phones and social welfare because that's all we are going to have (unless you're a top manager running all the "machines").
I guess I'd better buy that boat and enjoy it now now while I still have a chance.
03-13-2015, 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by disco inferno
Trains are on tracks. Pretty hard to screw that up isn't it?
Switching out cars in the yard is an exercise in complex logic every day. Like a massive jigsaw puzzle, how do you take apart a train, and put another one together with X number of tracks, in the least amount of moves. How do you do this day in and day out without derailing, or crunching equipment together, or the biggest challenge, not crunching yourself! It is an incredibly physical and mental environment and you're dealing with long hours, many through the night, in every type of weather. I was challenged every day, and recognized strait away that no dummy can do that job.
I wrote an article a few years ago titled : Airline Pilot vs Railroader, you should check it out.
Maybe you'll shoot me a 'cool story bro' once again, but this time really mean it
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