New Emirates commercial
07-08-2015, 10:54 AM
#121
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Originally Posted by The Dominican
No it hasn't...., I know that the PPrune chatter wants to make everyone think that the company is suffering from serious disruptions due to lack of crews but even the most vocal PPruners admit that there haven't been any cancelled flights or grounded A/C's as a result......., attrition is at what? Single digits? That is not far from the attrition levels at UAL or DAL..., different reasons of course but numbers are numbers....., And they are getting their classes filled.
Everyone thought that there was going to be an avalanche of resignations and thus far it has been manageable levels, with plenty of people applying..., if they had that many problems hiring, Why would people wait months on end to have their applications processed? Don't believe the hype!
Everyone thought that there was going to be an avalanche of resignations and thus far it has been manageable levels, with plenty of people applying..., if they had that many problems hiring, Why would people wait months on end to have their applications processed? Don't believe the hype!
07-08-2015, 11:02 AM
#122
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Originally Posted by Eldee5
I will take your argument TP. The attrition is not exorbitant right at this moment. But how do you reconcile EK's expansion plans with the needed pool of pilots to support it? DL has over 10,000 applications on file. Shouldn't a prestigious airline such as EK show this kind of interest? Not to mention the fact that they have the advantage of pooling from the entire world. The big 3 can only hire green card holders at best, and they're still doing better. It's just that, the math doesn't add up. Since I left EK, I have been getting countless emails from friends and people I flew with, looking for tips on how to join the big 3. This should not be happening. Period. This was the central point of my argument. They need to incentivize the profession, and not let their misplaced egos get in the way of attracting, and keeping great qualified applicants. No?
07-08-2015, 11:18 AM
#123
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Overseas bases aren't enough, look at the disaster CX turned into. The ME3 can't and won't base hundreds of guys in the USA.
Also, paying taxes on the money offerd by each ME carrier doesn't really make it more attractive than any U.S. Major airline. They aren't going to offer more money to compensate for or pay U.S. Taxes.
The only people with reason to go to a foreign airline from the USA are super old guys in serious debt and, well, that's about it. The short term gain in the first 5 years isn't worth the loss of seniority.
Also, paying taxes on the money offerd by each ME carrier doesn't really make it more attractive than any U.S. Major airline. They aren't going to offer more money to compensate for or pay U.S. Taxes.
The only people with reason to go to a foreign airline from the USA are super old guys in serious debt and, well, that's about it. The short term gain in the first 5 years isn't worth the loss of seniority.
07-08-2015, 11:21 AM
#124
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Originally Posted by Typhoonpilot
The medical profession has drugs that help combat paranoid schizophrenia.
Just saying
Typhoonpilot
Just saying
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07-08-2015, 12:30 PM
#126
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Originally Posted by full of luv
Gloopy is the Donald Trump of APC. He speaks the truth but in a Hyperbolic way that ruffles the feelgooders that refuse to see the truth.
In his demented version of reality he continually calls for actions that would materially harm American pilots and workers. He has called for the banning of any pilot who has worked overseas from being hired by a U.S. carrier. He has called for revocation of the foreign earned income exclusion. This on pilots who left the USA post 9-11 because they were furloughed; their airlines went out of business; or they did want to get stuck flying an RJ at slave wages for 10 more years.
Add to that material harm to American workers in the aircraft manufacturing sector via ALPA's fight against reauthorization of the Export Import bank. Material harm to American workers in the travel and tourism industry through reduction in service from India, Pakistan, and the Middle East if he gets his was of only one flight per day from Dubai.
The guy is a serious nut job with no common sense who has no concept how his calls against his fellow Americans can be hurtful to their lives and careers.
I've tried repeatedly to show that there is a far better way to approach the issue of competition with foreign carriers that will not harm other workers in America. There are win win scenarios that are possible, but the paranoia and fear mongering seem to win out. That people listen to his barely intelligible tirades is actually kind of sad.
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07-08-2015, 01:02 PM
#127
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Originally Posted by Typhoonpilot
In his demented version of reality he continually calls for actions that would materially harm American pilots and workers. He has called for the banning of any pilot who has worked overseas from being hired by a U.S. carrier. He has called for revocation of the foreign earned income exclusion. This on pilots who left the USA post 9-11 because they were furloughed; their airlines went out of business; or they did want to get stuck flying an RJ at slave wages for 10 more years.
Add to that material harm to American workers in the aircraft manufacturing sector via ALPA's fight against reauthorization of the Export Import bank. Material harm to American workers in the travel and tourism industry through reduction in service from India, Pakistan, and the Middle East if he gets his was of only one flight per day from Dubai.
The guy is a serious nut job with no common sense who has no concept how his calls against his fellow Americans can be hurtful to their lives and careers.
I've tried repeatedly to show that there is a far better way to approach the issue of competition with foreign carriers that will not harm other workers in America. There are win win scenarios that are possible, but the paranoia and fear mongering seem to win out. That people listen to his barely intelligible tirades is actually kind of sad.
Typhoonpilot
Add to that material harm to American workers in the aircraft manufacturing sector via ALPA's fight against reauthorization of the Export Import bank. Material harm to American workers in the travel and tourism industry through reduction in service from India, Pakistan, and the Middle East if he gets his was of only one flight per day from Dubai.
The guy is a serious nut job with no common sense who has no concept how his calls against his fellow Americans can be hurtful to their lives and careers.
I've tried repeatedly to show that there is a far better way to approach the issue of competition with foreign carriers that will not harm other workers in America. There are win win scenarios that are possible, but the paranoia and fear mongering seem to win out. That people listen to his barely intelligible tirades is actually kind of sad.
Typhoonpilot
+1
07-08-2015, 02:02 PM
#128
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Originally Posted by Typhoonpilot
In his demented version of reality he continually calls for actions that would materially harm American pilots and workers.
No one is buying that Typhoon. No one. Not even you.
He has called for the banning of any pilot who has worked overseas from being hired by a U.S. carrier.
He has called for revocation of the foreign earned income exclusion.
This on pilots who left the USA post 9-11 because they were furloughed; their airlines went out of business; or they did want to get stuck flying an RJ at slave wages for 10 more years.
Add to that material harm to American workers in the aircraft manufacturing sector via ALPA's fight against reauthorization of the Export Import bank.
Material harm to American workers in the travel and tourism industry through reduction in service from India, Pakistan, and the Middle East if he gets his was of only one flight per day from Dubai.
The guy is a serious nut job with no common sense who has no concept how his calls against his fellow Americans can be hurtful to their lives and careers.
I've tried repeatedly to show that there is a far better way to approach the issue of competition with foreign carriers that will not harm other workers in America. There are win win scenarios that are possible, but the paranoia and fear mongering seem to win out. That people listen to his barely intelligible tirades is actually kind of sad.
And even you have to agree that if we continue to allow ImEx to pay ME3 to take our planes we should at least extend the same crony charity to US airlines. I'm not in favor of that solution, but its better than the way we're currently doing things.
07-08-2015, 02:18 PM
#129
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Originally Posted by Kapitanleutnant
As a guy who flies for EK, I can mention a few things here:
Shaheen is actually an Iranian Airline… and guess they're just recruiting Pakistani women or cabin crew
The Top guy at EK, Sheik (pronounced Shake) Ahmed, who is actually a pretty cool guy, has said in the past the biggest advantage he has over most other airlines is not fuel costs, but lack of a union. Unions are not allowed over here.
Fuel: The CEO of EK, Sir Tim Clarke says he pays the same amount for fuel as every other airline…. and actually this is correct. When an EK 777 flies to LHR or JFK, they pay the same fuel that DL, UA and AA would pay per gallon of Jet A. When UA, DL, Atlas and whoever else comes to Dubai, they pay the same price EK pays for fuel in Dubai. It's obvious the advantage is that many more of the our flights originate at Dubai thus getting the fuel advantage….. But what Tim Clarke says is actually true (in an obscure kind of way… but nonetheless true)
I've been at EK for 7 years and am moving on in a few months as things have gotten really bad here with so many things. It always looks good on the outside here but inside, different story. The marketing of both EK and Dubai are brilliant and working 24/7/365 to make the place look good… that's what it's all about here… IMAGE to the world.
It will be nice to work for an airline that actually has a union! Honestly, I never really needed the union backing for my time at EK, but it sure is nice to know they're there if you really need it…. but of course, not at EK.
The service is genuinely second to none and the product sold is pretty solid. I've non revved and had a shower at FL350 and had a mini suite in which the doors close to have 100% privacy… pretty nice and something that no US carrier even comes close to.
When I finish a flight, I see about 40 or so subcontinent workers (Indians and Pakistani's) come aboard the jet to clean…. yep, about 40 of 'em. They get paid what to them is a good wage for doing the job… and then send it all back home to the family in the villages of these countries they come from. To them, they've hit the big leagues. The only thing to realize is: They're paid peanuts compared to any cleaners in the US. Take that factor and multiply it many times to get a representation of how much an advantage EK has on costs, not just fuel.
When I first saw this commercial, I realized…. it's all true, every aspect of it. The US industry has become more a bus ride mentality. Cheapest fares etc. My US airline I left to come over would always marvel at the customers because they'd all spend hours and hours online getting the absolute lowest price for the ticket, saving 8 dollars… yet when they got to the airport, they'd gladly spend 12 dollars on a Starbucks Mocha Grande Double Express! Valid points….
Anyways, just a few thoughts from an EK guy who's had enough of the EK machine
Kap
Shaheen is actually an Iranian Airline… and guess they're just recruiting Pakistani women or cabin crew
The Top guy at EK, Sheik (pronounced Shake) Ahmed, who is actually a pretty cool guy, has said in the past the biggest advantage he has over most other airlines is not fuel costs, but lack of a union. Unions are not allowed over here.
Fuel: The CEO of EK, Sir Tim Clarke says he pays the same amount for fuel as every other airline…. and actually this is correct. When an EK 777 flies to LHR or JFK, they pay the same fuel that DL, UA and AA would pay per gallon of Jet A. When UA, DL, Atlas and whoever else comes to Dubai, they pay the same price EK pays for fuel in Dubai. It's obvious the advantage is that many more of the our flights originate at Dubai thus getting the fuel advantage….. But what Tim Clarke says is actually true (in an obscure kind of way… but nonetheless true)
I've been at EK for 7 years and am moving on in a few months as things have gotten really bad here with so many things. It always looks good on the outside here but inside, different story. The marketing of both EK and Dubai are brilliant and working 24/7/365 to make the place look good… that's what it's all about here… IMAGE to the world.
It will be nice to work for an airline that actually has a union! Honestly, I never really needed the union backing for my time at EK, but it sure is nice to know they're there if you really need it…. but of course, not at EK.
The service is genuinely second to none and the product sold is pretty solid. I've non revved and had a shower at FL350 and had a mini suite in which the doors close to have 100% privacy… pretty nice and something that no US carrier even comes close to.
When I finish a flight, I see about 40 or so subcontinent workers (Indians and Pakistani's) come aboard the jet to clean…. yep, about 40 of 'em. They get paid what to them is a good wage for doing the job… and then send it all back home to the family in the villages of these countries they come from. To them, they've hit the big leagues. The only thing to realize is: They're paid peanuts compared to any cleaners in the US. Take that factor and multiply it many times to get a representation of how much an advantage EK has on costs, not just fuel.
When I first saw this commercial, I realized…. it's all true, every aspect of it. The US industry has become more a bus ride mentality. Cheapest fares etc. My US airline I left to come over would always marvel at the customers because they'd all spend hours and hours online getting the absolute lowest price for the ticket, saving 8 dollars… yet when they got to the airport, they'd gladly spend 12 dollars on a Starbucks Mocha Grande Double Express! Valid points….
Anyways, just a few thoughts from an EK guy who's had enough of the EK machine
Kap
07-08-2015, 06:03 PM
#130
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Originally Posted by Eldee5
I will take your argument TP. The attrition is not exorbitant right at this moment. But how do you reconcile EK's expansion plans with the needed pool of pilots to support it? DL has over 10,000 applications on file. Shouldn't a prestigious airline such as EK show this kind of interest? Not to mention the fact that they have the advantage of pooling from the entire world. The big 3 can only hire green card holders at best, and they're still doing better. It's just that, the math doesn't add up. Since I left EK, I have been getting countless emails from friends and people I flew with, looking for tips on how to join the big 3. This should not be happening. Period. This was the central point of my argument. They need to incentivize the profession, and not let their misplaced egos get in the way of attracting, and keeping great qualified applicants. No?
US pilots will always prefer to come back home to work rather than being an expat..., that is just natural, the reason why there is so much interest on the US3 is because they are hiring, simple as that.
EK will always find the pilots they need...., always! Because at the end of the day...., there are a lot of pilots in this world with crappy jobs.
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