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Lobaeux 07-21-2015 07:33 PM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1934649)
80 but still with an infrastructure for 36 planes. "Hi, Captain Jacobsen?" "Who's this?" "Yes, hi, this is First Officer Paisley from scheduling. We're junior manning you for a 'Dingo turn."



Left? It's just starting.

Not sure what you're talking about. No First Officer called me to go fly, and we don't have a junior manning requirement at Spirit.

You're telling me at the legacies in two years I can be line bidding in the upper 1/4th of Fort Lauderdale, not having to sit reserve, flying A320s, 1-2 legs a day, working in the training department? I can apply to be a Chief Pilot, look forward to being a Captain after being on property for 2.5 years and enjoy my mandatory four days off between pairings?

Tell me which legacy offers this so I can apply! I've said it time and time again money is NOT everything. I enjoy where and when I fly, with who I fly with and what I'm flying.

Why would I want to change that? All for an extra $20/hour to commute to a base in a city you couldn't pay me enough to live in on one of my days off, to sit reserve in a crash pad or fly a trip in an old or cramped aircraft, on a line I received via PBS?

Our contract is amendable in a month, I make a really good living now and enjoy my QOL. Why give that up for a few more bucks?

sulkair 07-21-2015 07:42 PM


Originally Posted by Lobaeux (Post 1934699)
Not sure what you're talking about. No First Officer called me to go fly, and we don't have a junior manning requirement at Spirit.

You're telling me at the legacies in two years I can be line bidding in the upper 1/4th of Fort Lauderdale, not having to sit reserve, flying A320s, 1-2 legs a day, working in the training department? I can apply to be a Chief Pilot, look forward to being a Captain after being on property for 2.5 years and enjoy my mandatory four days off between pairings?

Tell me which legacy offers this so I can apply! I've said it time and time again money is NOT everything. I enjoy where and when I fly, with who I fly with and what I'm flying.

Why would I want to change that? All for an extra $20/hour to commute to a base in a city you couldn't pay me enough to live in on one of my days off, to sit reserve in a crash pad or fly a trip in an old or cramped aircraft, on a line I received via PBS?

Our contract is amendable in a month, I make a really good living now and enjoy my QOL. Why give that up for a few more bucks?

I like this post. Plus you won't get furloughed for the better part of decade and end up back at NK when the tide goes out.

ShyGuy 07-21-2015 10:23 PM


Originally Posted by Lobaeux (Post 1934699)
Not sure what you're talking about. No First Officer called me to go fly, and we don't have a junior manning requirement at Spirit.

You're telling me at the legacies in two years I can be line bidding in the upper 1/4th of Fort Lauderdale, not having to sit reserve, flying A320s, 1-2 legs a day, working in the training department? I can apply to be a Chief Pilot, look forward to being a Captain after being on property for 2.5 years and enjoy my mandatory four days off between pairings?

Tell me which legacy offers this so I can apply! I've said it time and time again money is NOT everything. I enjoy where and when I fly, with who I fly with and what I'm flying.

Why would I want to change that? All for an extra $20/hour to commute to a base in a city you couldn't pay me enough to live in on one of my days off, to sit reserve in a crash pad or fly a trip in an old or cramped aircraft, on a line I received via PBS?

Our contract is amendable in a month, I make a really good living now and enjoy my QOL. Why give that up for a few more bucks?

I didn't say any of that. That's your own personal list.

My statement was regarding this:

"Not sure how much opportunity and advancement is left in the legacies."

I just stated that it's just started, as in the opportunity and advancement at the legacies. Of course not all of them will have the base and/or aircraft you want.

Qotsaautopilot 07-22-2015 02:41 AM


Originally Posted by Lobaeux (Post 1934699)
Not sure what you're talking about. No First Officer called me to go fly, and we don't have a junior manning requirement at Spirit.

You're telling me at the legacies in two years I can be line bidding in the upper 1/4th of Fort Lauderdale, not having to sit reserve, flying A320s, 1-2 legs a day, working in the training department? I can apply to be a Chief Pilot, look forward to being a Captain after being on property for 2.5 years and enjoy my mandatory four days off between pairings?

Tell me which legacy offers this so I can apply! I've said it time and time again money is NOT everything. I enjoy where and when I fly, with who I fly with and what I'm flying.

Why would I want to change that? All for an extra $20/hour to commute to a base in a city you couldn't pay me enough to live in on one of my days off, to sit reserve in a crash pad or fly a trip in an old or cramped aircraft, on a line I received via PBS?

Our contract is amendable in a month, I make a really good living now and enjoy my QOL. Why give that up for a few more bucks?

I largely agree with this post except its a lot more than $20 an hour and the contract is ammendable in 9 days. Nine.

Plane Ramrod 07-22-2015 05:04 AM


Originally Posted by Lobaeux (Post 1934699)
we don't have a junior manning requirement at Spirit.

Au contraire dumb bear...

Just because it's easy to avoid, doesn't mean there is no requirement. You accidentally answer the phone, you're going flying. Yes there are ways around that too, but the requirement exists. How could you possibly accidentally answer the phone? I don't know, but it seamed to happen a lot during the last furlough.

full of luv 07-22-2015 05:18 AM


Originally Posted by Lobaeux (Post 1934699)
Not sure what you're talking about. No First Officer called me to go fly, and we don't have a junior manning requirement at Spirit.

You're telling me at the legacies in two years I can be line bidding in the upper 1/4th of Fort Lauderdale, not having to sit reserve, flying A320s, 1-2 legs a day, working in the training department? I can apply to be a Chief Pilot, look forward to being a Captain after being on property for 2.5 years and enjoy my mandatory four days off between pairings?

Tell me which legacy offers this so I can apply! I've said it time and time again money is NOT everything. I enjoy where and when I fly, with who I fly with and what I'm flying.

Why would I want to change that? All for an extra $20/hour to commute to a base in a city you couldn't pay me enough to live in on one of my days off, to sit reserve in a crash pad or fly a trip in an old or cramped aircraft, on a line I received via PBS?

Our contract is amendable in a month, I make a really good living now and enjoy my QOL. Why give that up for a few more bucks?

Well then, open early with mgmt for a $10/hr raise, no other changes. Boom done....no QoL disruption, you know, time value of money and all.

CarbonCub 07-22-2015 08:51 AM


Originally Posted by Plane Ramrod (Post 1934812)
Au contraire dumb bear...

Just because it's easy to avoid, doesn't mean there is no requirement. You accidentally answer the phone, you're going flying. Yes there are ways around that too, but the requirement exists. How could you possibly accidentally answer the phone? I don't know, but it seamed to happen a lot during the last furlough.

First off, the contract does not specifically address a requirement to fly if a pilot "accidentally" picks up their phone. The phone contact is the only legal method scheduling can use to junior man a pilot.

I am a commuter and have picked up my phone several times to hear what they have to say regarding a junior assignment needing to be filled. Not once have they required me to fly.

Plane Ramrod 07-22-2015 08:59 AM


Originally Posted by CarbonCub (Post 1934926)
Not once have they required me to fly.

Yet...........

Merlyn 07-22-2015 09:51 AM


Originally Posted by Plane Ramrod (Post 1934812)
Au contraire dumb bear...

Just because it's easy to avoid, doesn't mean there is no requirement. You accidentally answer the phone, you're going flying. Yes there are ways around that too, but the requirement exists. How could you possibly accidentally answer the phone? I don't know, but it seamed to happen a lot during the last furlough.

I can't emphasize how much you need to know the contract. If you are junior manned smile and accept the trip. Then tell them they need to change the departure time because you are fly fishing in Wisconsin and need three days to report. You were not on reserve. there is NO three hour call out.

F9 Driver 07-22-2015 10:13 AM


Originally Posted by Merlyn (Post 1934949)
I can't emphasize how much you need to know the contract. If you are junior manned smile and accept the trip. Then tell them they need to change the departure time because you are fly fishing in Wisconsin and need three days to report. You were not on reserve. there is NO three hour call out.

If you're sick on a day you weren't scheduled to fly CS can't charge you a sick day if you're sick when they try to JA you. The end.


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