Frontier vs. Spirit
 

So the big job fair is upon where both Spirit and Frontier, two companies owned by the same holding company, will be present and talking with potential candidates.

Please share your "Why Spirit" or "Why Frontier" thoughts here!

Is anyone who is going not planning on talking to either one in favor of the other?

You might want to do a bit more research on who owns both companies.

Your question shows one of a couple of things. First, you've done very little research on either company, might show up when you're talking to recruiters, two you're English is really bad and you don't realize that the word owned as you used it implies they're pretty much the same company (I should know, I've been accused plenty times of bad English) or your typing skills are bad, you mistyped what you wanted to, in that case the Airbus might prove a problem for you. I were you, I'd either pick Allegiant or Delta and fly old stick and rudder planes. In all seriousness pick the one with the better contract and the one nearest your house.

Both are growing. F9 has more aggressive growth coming up in the next few years. NKs contract is better at the moment. Both have good pilot groups, you should have personal reason for deciding who you want to work for.

Anyways, short answer is DELTA

Burn. That is all.

What a f*cktard. I mean just what the he|| are you trying to pull off here anyway?

Haha. ShyGuy beat me to it.

Wow man, just wow! I hate the grammar police on forums but please, come on.

Your single post, in which you admonish another for "bad English," has no less than 10 grammatical errors in it. Complete with run-on sentences, homonym errors, and overall confusion.

So don't be a tool that tells another how foolish they look and how bad they will look in front of a recruiter, when you won't even take the time to proof your own attack on him.

Yeah! You guys done told me! I only count nine errors, thank ye very much. :rolleyes:

Well I guess that depends on how many "errors" you count for the "run-on sentence of the decade."

Haha

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Back on topic, does F9 have more aggressive growth than Spirit?

Priceless... Thank you!

Please do not equate this person with the typical Spirit pilot.

I would maintain both companies are growing like mad, the decision comes down to who offers you a position first and where you are looking to be based.

Spirit is a publicly traded company, therefore things are a little more transparent. Frontier is privately held, but if you wish to see what Frontier will look like in a few years, look no further than Spirit.

For my money, I would choose Spirit, but I'm biased. :D

Why do you have to be a jerk. He asked which company, answer the question or move on. Why must people on this board need to act like this police/grammar patrol.

I'm not sure why no one has answered with the obvious....in this order.

1. Go talk to whichever you have a ticket to see.
2. Assuming the answer to 1. is both, interview with whichever invites you.
3. Accept the job offer from whichever offers you the earliest class date.
4. If the answer to 4. is also both, proceed directly back to APC to get a bunch of nonsense answers as to why one is currently better than the other. Shake your head in disbelief at the mess you created, as you realize 3. is correct because they'll both lead to the same list some day in the future, so why not get on it soonest.

I would chose the one that gives me an interview and I manage to get an offer from, that being said, Frontier is just starting to grow where as Spirit has been growing for awhile. Upgrades may be faster here at F9 for people being hired today, at least it would seem that way for now, but the pay is behind Spirit. It will get fix but not tomorrow. Finally, look at the bases, where would you like to live. I recommend to live where you can avoid commuting which typically means better QOL. Honestly, I think it's everyone's guess as to which one will be better for a new hire. This industry is crazy.

Why set your standards so low? Actively seeking employment by these 2 companies? Both are flooding the market with cheap tickets and cheap pilots. Fly now, get paid later right?

Please tell us more about how we flood the market with our 2-3 percent share!!! Oh wise and knowledgable aviation enthusiast

I guess I'm not understanding what you mean by cheap seats and cheap pilots. Are you saying that high fares are a great thing? Are you saying that because you earn a few bucks more per hour that you're worth more? And please explain what you mean by low standards?

Just trying to get an idea of what you're talking about.

Looks like you understood the post completely.

Right...so you're saying you're a douchebag. Got it.

You're right. Folks should only take jobs flying big RJs and pretend to be Delta/American/United for a fraction of the compensation. All with the hope they'll get hired by one of those carriers one day. That must be the standards we are missing. Fly now, get paid later right?

But contrarily, you don't understand the subject matter. ULCCs don't flood the market with anything. At least not at the current size and structure. If you're premise is not based on facts then we can assume either you are ignorant or just trying to get a rise from some of us. Either way, it's not a very respectable position

Okay. Thought so. Arrogance is a great thing to have.

Well he did a great job of trolling the thread

65-144 Aircraft? Its from the Spirit website. Do you want me to link to anything else?
Spirit Airlines, Inc. - Fleet Plan

Spirit, Frontier, Allegiant, Virgin America are really 3%? Nahhhhhhhhhh. Regional mentality where a successful career is based on future growth. Meanwhile, I'm sure a majority of the FO's would leave to a legacy in a heartbeat. Flying around a 220 seat 321 is pretty sweet until you find out you aren't breaking 80k a year. But that tail is so high on the walk arounds, it feels awesome!

Yeah, thats what I think. I'd rather see the growth in the high paying jobs at the legacies than LCC's and ULCC's putting cost pressures on the jobs that are actually desirable. I did the regional thing. It sucks but I think its short sighted to run off to an LCC for ****ty wages. When contact time comes around only willing to negotiate a rate that compares with other LCC's.

I never knew someone could suck this much. You are just awesome. Do you legitimately hate yourself?

Standards are a great thing to have. I just think professional pilots doing what WE ALL do should set the bar higher. I don't think that settling for the LCC's is the right thing to do. I've read though some of the Spirit thread, nobody thinks they deserve the legacy wages, I don't see why not? Packed with reasons so settle.

Guess that one hit close to home.

I can only speak for spirit but compare our contract to the all mighty legacy carriers when it was signed. I'll wait....not a whole lot better were they?niw if we sign a sub par contract this year then your points will be fair but until then you can't compare our contract from 2010 to the current legacy pay scales.

"Nobody thinks they deserve legacy pay."

I'm at spirit. I want legacy pay. In fact I'm 99% sure almost every post over there says "I want pay parity."

But I guess you missed those huh? Can you ride my Jumpseat and tell me how I should fly too? You are an absolute peach.

Funny how you forget how few years ago those cheap airlines along with their cheap pilots were making more than legacy pilots were. And i understand that legacies were in post bankruptcy contract, hence that is why F9 rates were better than most. Now F9 is operating under post bankruptcy contract and can not do anything till negotiations open up. You should know that since your airline has filled ch11 in the past.
NK also negotiated pre all the mergers (i think dl and nwa completed the merge after the contract was signed).
also you are 100% correct that we dont want to get paid more...not.

troll on now

I haven't seen one logical reply from a poster in this thread yet....ouch mr airline pilot forum guy, now I hate myself even more :D

The only thing that hits close to home is a fellow pilot that is so uninformed and spiteful. There's a lot of good experienced pilots here at NK and I'm sure F9 that could bring you up to speed on current and past events so you can have a real conversation with us.

You got a point. I hope you guys get paid, I really do. If the business model is so great then we should be catching up to you. Prove me wrong.

Prove you wrong? Oh gee, I will just ever-be so disappointed in myself if we cannot win your approval. :rolleyes:

If you would like a "logical" reply, we have 7-8 year Captains making more than most of the 20 year AA guys. Its all about work rules. In addition, rates are not everything, living in a base or being home with your kids 22 night a month (like i am) is well worth the 400k diff that I "could" make being as a double breasted turkey.

Spirit has tons more head-room to play with, Delta is already playing cards to the market that shows them in a dimmer light.

I have 25 years left, and mark my words, the legacy carriers will Chapter 11 at least twice between now and then and it will be a wash.

Logical?