Search

Notices
Major Legacy, National, and LCC

SW 737 WN345 final.

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 07-24-2015 | 04:15 AM
  #1  
Thread Starter
Banned
 
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 1,857
Likes: 0
Default SW 737 WN345 final.

On Jul 23rd 2015 the NTSB released their final report concluding the probable cause of the accident was:

The captain's attempt to recover from an unstabilized approach by transferring airplane control at low altitude instead of performing a go-around. Contributing to the accident was the captain's failure to comply with standard operating procedures.

In the press release of Jul 23rd 2015 the NTSB argued: "NTSB found that the first officer was conducting the approach, and the captain took control away from the first officer, but not until the plane was 27 feet above the ground. This late transfer of control from the first officer to the captain resulted in neither pilot being able to effectively monitor the airplane’s altitude and pitch attitude. According to the Southwest Airlines Flight Operations Manual, the captain should have called for a go-around well before this point in the approach instead of trying to salvage the landing. For example, Southwest’s stabilized approach criteria require an immediate go-around if the airplane flaps are not in the final landing configuration by 1,000 feet above the ground. In this case, the flaps were not correctly set until the airplane was 500 feet above the ground."

The captain (49, ATPL, 12,522 hours total, 7,907 hours on type) was pilot monitoring, the first officer (44, ATPL, 5,200 hours total, 1,100 hours on type) was pilot flying.
Reply
Old 07-24-2015 | 04:28 AM
  #2  
cmesoar's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 302
Likes: 0
From: FO
Default

Hopefully the captain is still not flying...I know she was fired from SW which is good! This could have been a lot worse.
Reply
Old 07-24-2015 | 06:54 AM
  #3  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 20,880
Likes: 194
Default

Originally Posted by cmesoar
Hopefully the captain is still not flying...I know she was fired from SW which is good! This could have been a lot worse.
Does SWA have FOQA on their aircraft?
Reply
Old 07-24-2015 | 06:49 PM
  #4  
Thread Starter
Banned
 
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 1,857
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by sailingfun
Does SWA have FOQA on their aircraft?
I Don't think you need to have it ON the ac, just participate, I assume SW does.
https://www.faa.gov/about/initiatives/atos/air_carrier/foqa/
Reply
Old 07-25-2015 | 01:13 PM
  #5  
1Seat 1Engine's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 1,385
Likes: 0
From: 737 Right
Default

All NG's have it. Some of the 300's have it.

At SWA FOQA is called FDAP. I believe it is otherwise similar to FOQA.

If you read the report, you'll see that the approach by the FO was NOT the issue. The Capt caused the mishap.

Lot more to this story than just the facts.
Reply
Old 07-25-2015 | 01:46 PM
  #6  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 6,430
Likes: 124
From: Window seat
Default

http://www.ntsb.gov/_layouts/ntsb.av...13FA131&akey=1

Highest deviation above glide slope occurred at 1744:23, at 27' AGL, which is also when the Captain said "I've got it."

Control column back pressure was reduced to neutral and the de-rotation, and sink rate, started...
Reply
Old 07-25-2015 | 02:27 PM
  #7  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 1,207
Likes: 0
From: CA
Default

Originally Posted by sailingfun
Does SWA have FOQA on their aircraft?
Southwest Airlines’ FOQA program has been designated as the Flight Data Analysis Program, or FDAP.
Reply
Old 07-25-2015 | 03:05 PM
  #8  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Aug 2012
Posts: 711
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by 1Seat 1Engine

Lot more to this story than just the facts.
Is there more to the story beyond what is in the report?
Reply
Old 07-25-2015 | 04:06 PM
  #9  
at6d's Avatar
— No Relief On Scope —
 
Joined: Mar 2015
Posts: 4,578
Likes: 337
From: B737 Left Seat
Default

Of course there is! I don't know what it is...but I can tell you for sure that when I was at American Eagle a lifetime ago, a very similar accident occurred in SJU.

Both could have been saved by the words, "Go around." (disregard all the stuff in the NTSB report about the FO not revealing certain meds to the FAA! woops ha)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cht1uKCdlBo
Reply
Old 07-25-2015 | 05:36 PM
  #10  
1Seat 1Engine's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 1,385
Likes: 0
From: 737 Right
Default

Or if the Capt had said nothing, or perhaps called in sick for the rest of her career...

Then there would have been no accident, and much rejoicing among the FO's of OAK.
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
EWR73FO
United
313
11-10-2012 06:42 PM
guppyflyer
United
162
03-12-2012 08:26 PM
Rad1
Flight Schools and Training
4
01-30-2012 06:02 AM
Ajax
Regional
140
12-03-2010 06:49 AM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



Your Privacy Choices