ALPA opposes third-class medical reform
07-26-2015, 01:10 PM
#61
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Originally Posted by Fred Flintstone
Interesting that a medical is required for a BFR in a Cessna 150 while I got my GV (Gulfstream 450/550) type rating without one. The difference is the sim never left the ground and a part 61 type rating does not require one if the ride is completely in the sim. I was broke and couldn't afford one until after the ckeck ride. The FARs do have some holes that need patching.
07-26-2015, 01:50 PM
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Copy that FlyingKat. If doing a BFR requires anything above ground level, a medical is required. I also would not put my signature in that guy's logbook.
I was just pointing out a glaring hole in FAR 61. OTOH, a FAR 61 type requires the circling approach. Can't waive it like in 121. Go figure.
I was just pointing out a glaring hole in FAR 61. OTOH, a FAR 61 type requires the circling approach. Can't waive it like in 121. Go figure.
07-27-2015, 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by PrattFan
Aside from any safety concerns, has anyone considered what affect this may have on the AME system? Someone mentioned AOPA having 400,000 members, and ALPA only having 52,000. I know myself have had to switch AME's 3 times in 15 years because the one I was using gave it up because the huge PITA they've made it for doctors to participate. What happens when they lose 75% of that business, how many will continue to do it because the efforts far exceed the reward?
Are commercial pilots alone enough to support the large infrastructure of AME's we currently have?
Are commercial pilots alone enough to support the large infrastructure of AME's we currently have?
Let the airlines/government worry about that...
Several Docs in Atlanta do nothing but Medicals...mostly for Airline pilots.
07-27-2015, 05:42 PM
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FYI Jack Pelton was the former CEO of Cessna
Fellow EAA Member,
The past week was a big one for support of the Pilot’s Bill of Rights 2 (PBOR2), legislation that would reform the 3rd class medical certificate, EAA's top advocacy priority. The Senate version of the bill, S. 571, added more than 20 co-sponsors and now has 56 sponsoring senators. This happened because our members picked up the phone and urged their legislators support it.
We are pursuing every avenue to pass this legislation. This week, we may see the language from PBOR2 added as an amendment to the surface transportation bill under consideration by the Senate. Legislative action on the amendment could come at any time, so time is of the essence.
Unfortunately, this past week also saw an unexpected challenge. The Airline Pilots Association (ALPA), without warning or consulting its members, sent a letter to every senator opposing the proposal. This unfounded and fear-mongering attack threatens all of the work we have done over the past few years to move this issue.
The rhetoric from ALPA is most disappointing and utterly out of step with the rest of the general aviation and airline pilot community. Why it would turn its back on the community that inspires, supplies and trains its professional aviators is baffling, especially when the vast majority of statistics and opinions by safety professionals, regulators, and other pilots agree that ALPA’s position has no basis and makes no sense. It’s especially shortsighted when one considers that the health of GA is directly connected to the health of the airline pilot community.
Your voice needs to be heard NOW. Please call your Senator today. If they are already supporting PBOR2 and the amendment, please thank them for their support and reinforce how important this issue is to you. If they are not yet a co-sponsor, ask them why not. A set of talking points is available here. Most importantly, if you are a member of ALPA, please contact your leadership and ask why your association is abandoning its fellow aviators in this effort.
Thank you for your immediate support on this critical issue. Your calls can make this long-awaited measure a reality.
Sincerely
Jack J. Pelton
EAA Chairman of the Board
Fellow EAA Member,
The past week was a big one for support of the Pilot’s Bill of Rights 2 (PBOR2), legislation that would reform the 3rd class medical certificate, EAA's top advocacy priority. The Senate version of the bill, S. 571, added more than 20 co-sponsors and now has 56 sponsoring senators. This happened because our members picked up the phone and urged their legislators support it.
We are pursuing every avenue to pass this legislation. This week, we may see the language from PBOR2 added as an amendment to the surface transportation bill under consideration by the Senate. Legislative action on the amendment could come at any time, so time is of the essence.
Unfortunately, this past week also saw an unexpected challenge. The Airline Pilots Association (ALPA), without warning or consulting its members, sent a letter to every senator opposing the proposal. This unfounded and fear-mongering attack threatens all of the work we have done over the past few years to move this issue.
The rhetoric from ALPA is most disappointing and utterly out of step with the rest of the general aviation and airline pilot community. Why it would turn its back on the community that inspires, supplies and trains its professional aviators is baffling, especially when the vast majority of statistics and opinions by safety professionals, regulators, and other pilots agree that ALPA’s position has no basis and makes no sense. It’s especially shortsighted when one considers that the health of GA is directly connected to the health of the airline pilot community.
Your voice needs to be heard NOW. Please call your Senator today. If they are already supporting PBOR2 and the amendment, please thank them for their support and reinforce how important this issue is to you. If they are not yet a co-sponsor, ask them why not. A set of talking points is available here. Most importantly, if you are a member of ALPA, please contact your leadership and ask why your association is abandoning its fellow aviators in this effort.
Thank you for your immediate support on this critical issue. Your calls can make this long-awaited measure a reality.
Sincerely
Jack J. Pelton
EAA Chairman of the Board
07-27-2015, 06:05 PM
#68
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Originally Posted by Baron50
FYI Jack Pelton was the former CEO of Cessna
Fellow EAA Member,
The past week was a big one for support of the Pilot’s Bill of Rights 2 (PBOR2), legislation that would reform the 3rd class medical certificate, EAA's top advocacy priority. The Senate version of the bill, S. 571, added more than 20 co-sponsors and now has 56 sponsoring senators. This happened because our members picked up the phone and urged their legislators support it.
We are pursuing every avenue to pass this legislation. This week, we may see the language from PBOR2 added as an amendment to the surface transportation bill under consideration by the Senate. Legislative action on the amendment could come at any time, so time is of the essence.
Unfortunately, this past week also saw an unexpected challenge. The Airline Pilots Association (ALPA), without warning or consulting its members, sent a letter to every senator opposing the proposal. This unfounded and fear-mongering attack threatens all of the work we have done over the past few years to move this issue.
The rhetoric from ALPA is most disappointing and utterly out of step with the rest of the general aviation and airline pilot community. Why it would turn its back on the community that inspires, supplies and trains its professional aviators is baffling, especially when the vast majority of statistics and opinions by safety professionals, regulators, and other pilots agree that ALPA’s position has no basis and makes no sense. It’s especially shortsighted when one considers that the health of GA is directly connected to the health of the airline pilot community.
Your voice needs to be heard NOW. Please call your Senator today. If they are already supporting PBOR2 and the amendment, please thank them for their support and reinforce how important this issue is to you. If they are not yet a co-sponsor, ask them why not. A set of talking points is available here. Most importantly, if you are a member of ALPA, please contact your leadership and ask why your association is abandoning its fellow aviators in this effort.
Thank you for your immediate support on this critical issue. Your calls can make this long-awaited measure a reality.
Sincerely
Jack J. Pelton
EAA Chairman of the Board
Fellow EAA Member,
The past week was a big one for support of the Pilot’s Bill of Rights 2 (PBOR2), legislation that would reform the 3rd class medical certificate, EAA's top advocacy priority. The Senate version of the bill, S. 571, added more than 20 co-sponsors and now has 56 sponsoring senators. This happened because our members picked up the phone and urged their legislators support it.
We are pursuing every avenue to pass this legislation. This week, we may see the language from PBOR2 added as an amendment to the surface transportation bill under consideration by the Senate. Legislative action on the amendment could come at any time, so time is of the essence.
Unfortunately, this past week also saw an unexpected challenge. The Airline Pilots Association (ALPA), without warning or consulting its members, sent a letter to every senator opposing the proposal. This unfounded and fear-mongering attack threatens all of the work we have done over the past few years to move this issue.
The rhetoric from ALPA is most disappointing and utterly out of step with the rest of the general aviation and airline pilot community. Why it would turn its back on the community that inspires, supplies and trains its professional aviators is baffling, especially when the vast majority of statistics and opinions by safety professionals, regulators, and other pilots agree that ALPA’s position has no basis and makes no sense. It’s especially shortsighted when one considers that the health of GA is directly connected to the health of the airline pilot community.
Your voice needs to be heard NOW. Please call your Senator today. If they are already supporting PBOR2 and the amendment, please thank them for their support and reinforce how important this issue is to you. If they are not yet a co-sponsor, ask them why not. A set of talking points is available here. Most importantly, if you are a member of ALPA, please contact your leadership and ask why your association is abandoning its fellow aviators in this effort.
Thank you for your immediate support on this critical issue. Your calls can make this long-awaited measure a reality.
Sincerely
Jack J. Pelton
EAA Chairman of the Board
07-27-2015, 06:33 PM
#69
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Originally Posted by FlyingKat
Called a buddy with the FAA to see what I should do, and he said there wasn't a whole lot they could do until he gets involved in an incident. True story. Even then there is nothing in federal code that allows them to jail him or seize the aircraft unless it is a violation of a prohibited zone or a restricted area.
U.S.C. §46306(b)(7):
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Except as provided by subsection (c) of this section, a person shall be fined under title 18, imprisoned for not more than 3 years, or both, if the person—
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(7) knowingly and willfully serves or attempts to serve in any capacity as an airman without an airman's certificate authorizing the individual to serve in that capacity;
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Except as provided by subsection (c) of this section, a person shall be fined under title 18, imprisoned for not more than 3 years, or both, if the person—
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(7) knowingly and willfully serves or attempts to serve in any capacity as an airman without an airman's certificate authorizing the individual to serve in that capacity;
07-27-2015, 06:35 PM
#70
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Originally Posted by ManFlex
This has nothing to do with training or inspiring future airline pilots (all of whom have to be able to hold a medical certificate by the way). Most airline pilots couldn't care less about the GA special interest lobby just like most GA pilots couldn't care less about FAR117 or the ME3. Most current airline pilots don't fly GA and the ones that would want to can't afford to financially.
Just another ALPA fail
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