Ab initio begins at jetBlue
09-24-2015, 04:51 PM
#22
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Originally Posted by fishforfun
Didn't get past this part of it:
"Why is JetBlue creating another Gateway program when we have thousands of qualified applicants every time we open our application window?”
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"Why is JetBlue creating another Gateway program when we have thousands of qualified applicants every time we open our application window?”
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09-24-2015, 04:57 PM
#23
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Originally Posted by seekingblue
I'm not thrilled with this development. That said, at least this was announced while we are negotiating the CBA. This way, rates, seniority, etc for the AB intro guys can be integrated into the CBA.
EDIT: to clarify. The AB intro guys should be paid what the rest of us are paid at Blue once they get online. The issue with the CBA is how the applicant will be paid in the AB intro training, before moving on to JetBlue aircraft.
EDIT: to clarify. The AB intro guys should be paid what the rest of us are paid at Blue once they get online. The issue with the CBA is how the applicant will be paid in the AB intro training, before moving on to JetBlue aircraft.
09-24-2015, 05:34 PM
#24
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Originally Posted by JetDoc
Well, this regional guy just crossed JB off his list.
09-24-2015, 07:04 PM
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Who cares how people get here? Don't they start to fly fighters with way less then 1500hr in the militaries?
It sounds like the candidates will pay for their own training. For sure once they are here they will think just like the rest of us. For their interests.
And with a CBA in place I doubt they could have any difference in contract.
The biggest issue we have now it's the policy FLIGHT NOW, GRIEVE LATER.
We should be talking about that instead. The union should not promote and support this, it's a license for the schedulers to use any rule as toilet paper.
If something it's clearly against the rules, we should have the option to say NO, or to cut a deal for extra pay, compensatory days off, etc. etc.
Here, I said it...
It sounds like the candidates will pay for their own training. For sure once they are here they will think just like the rest of us. For their interests.
And with a CBA in place I doubt they could have any difference in contract.
The biggest issue we have now it's the policy FLIGHT NOW, GRIEVE LATER.
We should be talking about that instead. The union should not promote and support this, it's a license for the schedulers to use any rule as toilet paper.
If something it's clearly against the rules, we should have the option to say NO, or to cut a deal for extra pay, compensatory days off, etc. etc.
Here, I said it...
09-24-2015, 07:42 PM
#26
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Just a small detail, who pays for the 4 year/flight training? If the candidate pays they would surely not be contracted to JB in any way. I guess I am missing something here unless JB is footing the bill, then yes indentured servitude comes to mind. Ugh, is this what the future looks like? Instead of attracting candidates lets contract them when their still young.
09-24-2015, 07:50 PM
#27
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Sucks big time for all the regional FO's and CA's who heave labored away for years hoping for a shot. It certainly stings. Great for the folks selected, a damn lucky group of guys (and gals) for sure.
JetBlue must seriously be worried about the quality of pilots left in the future to even consider this.
I'm wondering how many guys at the regionals are unhirable from a mainline viewpoint?
JetBlue must seriously be worried about the quality of pilots left in the future to even consider this.
I'm wondering how many guys at the regionals are unhirable from a mainline viewpoint?
09-24-2015, 09:24 PM
#28
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As a former military member I wouldn't be too quick to compare a new training program to the 'military' standard. Rucker and the AF C-130 program consistently produce the worst pilots that I've ever had the privilege of sharing the flight deck with. I hold Alaskan bush Beach 1900 pilots in higher regard than a lot of our military trained pilots. I can however see the merits of training guys/gals in an Airbus from day one as more beneficial than time building in a Cessna 210. The key will be keeping these eager beavers from driving down hard earned pay and benefits gains. Otherwise we become a bunch of SJS regional pilots driving Airbus/Boeing equipment.
09-24-2015, 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
I think indentured servitude laws are still on the books here...
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