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Old 11-01-2015 | 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Firsttimeflyer
At all the airlines I've worked at my costs have gone up every year. Same with everyone in my family's and friends insurance I've asked about it, each one of them whether in private or government sector has their health care choice either taken away or the premiums increase. One of my friends who is a teacher had all their plans taken away completely and the only option was a HSA with $10,000 out of pocket max for the year. She was pregnant and had to pay $10K. I fully expect to pay a bit more each year, but my problem is the massive increases and chances since the implementation of obamacare.
The problem is you are trying to make the argument purely political. Ever think that these massive corporations (any sector) have been on a cost cutting and productivity binge since 2008. Because the healthcare system and insurance is unreasonably confusing for most people it's easy for these companies to use Obamacare as a scapegoat for premium increases. They don't even have to say that's why, people just assume which is normally not correct. It's the company shifting cost.
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Old 11-01-2015 | 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot
The problem is you are trying to make the argument purely political. Ever think that these massive corporations (any sector) have been on a cost cutting and productivity binge since 2008. Because the healthcare system and insurance is unreasonably confusing for most people it's easy for these companies to use Obamacare as a scapegoat for premium increases. They don't even have to say that's why, people just assume which is normally not correct. It's the company shifting cost.
Wait, you mean "for profit" business doesn't just let government eff it in the rear? Who could have imagined that?
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Old 11-01-2015 | 03:17 PM
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Yes Yes. Big bad government. Big bad corporate big wigs. Its not Obama's fault this country is fat and and can't understand what an occasional trip to the gym might do for you. Everyone hates welfare. Unless its the welfare of healthcare as they put there obesity on the backs of those of us who are smart enough to fathom calories in calories out. Everyone who scoffs at being told bacon is bad for you. Start looking in the mirror before you cry about anyone but yourself causing healthcare costs to rise.
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Old 11-01-2015 | 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot
The problem is you are trying to make the argument purely political. Ever think that these massive corporations (any sector) have been on a cost cutting and productivity binge since 2008. Because the healthcare system and insurance is unreasonably confusing for most people it's easy for these companies to use Obamacare as a scapegoat for premium increases. They don't even have to say that's why, people just assume which is normally not correct. It's the company shifting cost.
It's political b/c the gov't is fining the companies for offering plans that are "too good" in the government's eyes i.e. cadillac plan. People who's contracts continue into 2018 are seeing affects quicker b/c there isn't any negotiating in contracts before hand. Learn what the affordable health care act does regarding fines and you'll know why it's political.
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Old 11-01-2015 | 03:35 PM
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Thank the communist egomaniac in the white house for making oh so "affordable."
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Old 11-01-2015 | 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Jetdriver7
It's political b/c the gov't is fining the companies for offering plans that are "too good" in the government's eyes i.e. cadillac plan. People who's contracts continue into 2018 are seeing affects quicker b/c there isn't any negotiating in contracts before hand. Learn what the affordable health care act does regarding fines and you'll know why it's political.


What is being called a "cadillac" plan now is totally laughable.

I guess if you are in a non-"cadillac" plan, Flav-o-Flav drives you to the morgue.
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Old 11-01-2015 | 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Firsttimeflyer
This is what happens when people want the government involved. Paying a lot more for the same or worse coverage. Rates have always gone up, but nothing like they have lately.

Several states have had large health care insurers collapse or get de certified putting hundreds of thousands out of insurance completely.

Thanks a lot to the fine folks who thought this was a good idea.
Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot
You should probably check the last sentence of your first paragraph. If anyone's premiums are going up substantially it's a weakness in that groups collective bargaining agreement and it's just the company shifting more of the cost onto the employees even if the overall rates didn't increase that much or at all. At spirit the company can raise our premiums a max of 7% a year. Guess what they go up 7% each year and plan premiums overall (company+employee) have not increased that much
Please don't interject facts into the irrational butthurt by FTF. It's more fun to blame someone else or the government than to accept reality.
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Old 11-01-2015 | 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by jcountry
Thank the communist egomaniac in the white house for making oh so "affordable."
Wow, the ignorance runs deep in this one!
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Old 11-02-2015 | 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Cruise
Wow, the ignorance runs deep in this one!
Care to enlighten us?
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Old 11-02-2015 | 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Jetdriver7
Care to enlighten us?
If you need 'enlightenment' on the subject...I'd say the ignorance runs too deep for you as well.
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