2/7/2007 Seattle 11am - ALPA
#13
#14
Also please enlighen us what you have done to help out your fellow aviators in regards to improving pay, job securtiy and working conditions?
I am interested to hear reply?
#16
I think you need to take a number and stand in line with the rest of us who have been screwed in the past with the union. I think John Prater took a number. Its really about the future and not doing the same old union way of things since everyone here sees how well that has worked. I for one am looking forward to everyone in this business saying enough is enough. I am willing to give John a chance I believe he is listening to the voices who show up to the meetings. Like the age 60 fight. It is going through regardless of what the membership thinks. The best input to your LEC would be in how this NMPR is implemented. For example if I worked for FEDEX maybe I want to be able to retire at 55 instead of 65 since I have enough and I don't want to pack and unpack. How about the company kick in some medical benefits.I just don't think I should be penalized for wanting to early out. Now if I worked at NWA, I have maybe no A fund to speak of and now I have to pack and unpack until 65. This is one way the union can help, But it still needs your input as to how the resources are used. I have no problem having a national sick day to gain public awareness. I do think however, I can cause more havoc on the line than walking the line. In the end it come down to remembering the past and what worked as well as what didn't. Then moving forward and don't play the blame game. I think its going to take John a while to fix what has been out of balance for a very long time.
Lastly,
Until everyone here needs to understand that we all need to stand together by showing that messing with one pilot, you are messing with all pilots. Regardless of what company,politics religion etc you subscribe to.
Lastly,
Until everyone here needs to understand that we all need to stand together by showing that messing with one pilot, you are messing with all pilots. Regardless of what company,politics religion etc you subscribe to.
#17
As am I, although he's going to have to move off the pre-rehearsed talking points and give straight-forward answers to the tough questions.
During the Seattle meeting I felt he really wasn't prepared or was unable to address many of the questions and comments presented during the Q&A session. To his credit - he was there to listen and not necessarily provide answers and solutions. I have to give credit where credit is due and I was glad to see a roadshow in Seattle.
After the roadshows are complete, it will be interesting to see what, if any, changes will take place in Herndon.
#18
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2006
Position: B-737NG preferably in first class with a glass of champagne and caviar
Posts: 5,929
While the airline I was worked for was not as large as CAL we had some descent benefits programs which included but not limited to;
A Section 125 plan;
401(k) Plan with matching contributions;
Funds not used in connection with crew expenses were shared by all crewmembers under a separate CODA plan;
Continuing education program, including books and study materials, be it classroom or distant learning.
Health insurance provided by CIGNA a POS plan not HMO.
150% pay incentives for crews to work during peak holiday periods.
A crewmember with our company, after year and a half of service on the line was involved in a tragic accident. He was kept on full salary until his disability benefits commenced. His disability benefit was equal to a certain percentage of his salary. The company paid him money above the disability benefits to keep his total income in equity to what it was the day he became injured until he passed away. A special tax qualified program was designed, again paid by the company, so his income the income received by him was exempt from taxes.
In a smaller company one can be more creative.
That’s just to name a few things I have done.
A minor point to you but important to pilots who were with weaker carriers was that those pilots who worked for us who were recalled and then furloughed once again were welcomed back with open arms at full pay and benefits.
Look I'm pleased you are settled in your career. I'm happy that you worked hard to get ALPA on your property. I'm sure with your oversight and involvement in the proceedings and day to day operations for your fellow members, you will make sure that ALPA will do the right thing for you and your fellow workers.
But accept it, Peter Baron, not every pilot on this forum shares your enthusiasm for ALPA. That's also OK too.
Now Peter, in the proper prospective our airline was not quite as big as CAL. Our airline had 42 front end crews. They were pretty happy too.
So ease up, take a deep breath and allow others to have their opinions be it good or bad about third parties who represent not only air carrier employees, but any group of employees within any industry.
#19
Peter, go back to 1988. Where were you then?
My name is Jayson my brother is Peter. I was at CAL like I am today. However I did take a leave of absence three days after the Eastern Strike to work for an ALPA carrier one of the reasons was because I didn't want to be at CAL during the Eastern strike.
While the airline I was worked for was not as large as CAL we had some descent benefits programs which included but not limited to;
A Section 125 plan;
401(k) Plan with matching contributions;
Funds not used in connection with crew expenses were shared by all crewmembers under a separate CODA plan;
Continuing education program, including books and study materials, be it classroom or distant learning.
Health insurance provided by CIGNA a POS plan not HMO.
150% pay incentives for crews to work during peak holiday periods.
A crewmember with our company, after year and a half of service on the line was involved in a tragic accident. He was kept on full salary until his disability benefits commenced. His disability benefit was equal to a certain percentage of his salary. The company paid him money above the disability benefits to keep his total income in equity to what it was the day he became injured until he passed away. A special tax qualified program was designed, again paid by the company, so his income the income received by him was exempt from taxes.
In a smaller company one can be more creative.
That’s just to name a few things I have done.
Ok here you lost me here. You worked for a small company that had the above benefits, how is it that you personally take responsibility for these benefits from your former company?
A minor point to you but important to pilots who were with weaker carriers was that those pilots who worked for us who were recalled and then furloughed once again were welcomed back with open arms at full pay and benefits.
Ok again how is that you had anything to do with this possible benefit?
Look I'm pleased you are settled in your career. I'm happy that you worked hard to get ALPA on your property. I'm sure with your oversight and involvement in the proceedings and day to day operations for your fellow members, you will make sure that ALPA will do the right thing for you and your fellow workers.
But accept it, Peter Baron, not every pilot on this forum shares your enthusiasm for ALPA. That's also OK too.
Now Peter, in the proper prospective our airline was not quite as big as CAL. Our airline had 42 front end crews. They were pretty happy too.
Again I am confused??
So ease up, take a deep breath and allow others to have their opinions be it good or bad about third parties who represent not only air carrier employees, but any group of employees within any industry.
My name is Jayson my brother is Peter. I was at CAL like I am today. However I did take a leave of absence three days after the Eastern Strike to work for an ALPA carrier one of the reasons was because I didn't want to be at CAL during the Eastern strike.
While the airline I was worked for was not as large as CAL we had some descent benefits programs which included but not limited to;
A Section 125 plan;
401(k) Plan with matching contributions;
Funds not used in connection with crew expenses were shared by all crewmembers under a separate CODA plan;
Continuing education program, including books and study materials, be it classroom or distant learning.
Health insurance provided by CIGNA a POS plan not HMO.
150% pay incentives for crews to work during peak holiday periods.
A crewmember with our company, after year and a half of service on the line was involved in a tragic accident. He was kept on full salary until his disability benefits commenced. His disability benefit was equal to a certain percentage of his salary. The company paid him money above the disability benefits to keep his total income in equity to what it was the day he became injured until he passed away. A special tax qualified program was designed, again paid by the company, so his income the income received by him was exempt from taxes.
In a smaller company one can be more creative.
That’s just to name a few things I have done.
Ok here you lost me here. You worked for a small company that had the above benefits, how is it that you personally take responsibility for these benefits from your former company?
A minor point to you but important to pilots who were with weaker carriers was that those pilots who worked for us who were recalled and then furloughed once again were welcomed back with open arms at full pay and benefits.
Ok again how is that you had anything to do with this possible benefit?
Look I'm pleased you are settled in your career. I'm happy that you worked hard to get ALPA on your property. I'm sure with your oversight and involvement in the proceedings and day to day operations for your fellow members, you will make sure that ALPA will do the right thing for you and your fellow workers.
But accept it, Peter Baron, not every pilot on this forum shares your enthusiasm for ALPA. That's also OK too.
Now Peter, in the proper prospective our airline was not quite as big as CAL. Our airline had 42 front end crews. They were pretty happy too.
Again I am confused??
So ease up, take a deep breath and allow others to have their opinions be it good or bad about third parties who represent not only air carrier employees, but any group of employees within any industry.
#20
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2006
Position: B-737NG preferably in first class with a glass of champagne and caviar
Posts: 5,929
My issue with you is you made a derogatory remark about my union as you work for a non union European company with a of poor pay and benefits. Literally thousands of ALPA pilots volunteer considerable personal time to help their fellow pilots and to enhance and protect their careers. I ask again what have you done (not the company you worked for) to help your fellow aviators. I also remember you in 1988 (it was a long time ago and my memory isn't perfect) trying to convince my brother (Peter) to go to work for Eastern Airlines as they were preparing to strike. That really rubbed me the wrong way.
Look Jay, you're an intelligent individual, read your original challenge as to what I did to help my fellow airmen, then read my responses. Sorry, I can't draw you a picture.
By the way, you are very confused, I never recommended anyone to work with Eastern Airlines at any time... especially after I interviewed with them in August of 1987 and found them not to be the best place to be, especially with the state of management in the comapny. Fact be known, I steered many job seeking pilots away from Eastern, so don't even go there Ace!
Look I already said, I am sorry that it rubbed you the wrong way regarding ALPA. You are entitled to your opinion. Accept the fact that some of our fellow colleagues don't share your enthusiasm regarding ALPA. Tha'ts what makes a horse race... what can I say?
Son... its time to quit with the obsession crap and consentrate on your future with CAL.
By the way... I am under contract to an employment agency, I am not employed by any airline. I am paid only when I fly. With that being said, I am responsible for my own benefits. However, I am paid an override by the contracting agency to cover my medical and additional retirement benefits.
You asked... Ok here you lost me here. You worked for a small company that had the above benefits, how is it that you personally take responsibility for these benefits from your former company?
A group of us left one airline to start another airline. As a condition of joining the new carrier, QOL and benefits, and incentives were a major issue. I took the point on that issue based on my experience in the employee benefits/relations field.
Happy flying?
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