I thought the question was OTS civilian not including flow. I would wager that close to 50% number is made up of a lot of flow through or preference hiring.
I too am curios at what the rate is of a civilian with no flow or preferences from a regional has as of today.

 

I agree, until the last post about not getting a fair shot. Lost all credibility at that point.

 

And I did just get done going through the first 20 and last 20 pages of the recently hired thread. It seemed to be pretty even in mil/civilian and what was getting guys hired is pretty consistent.

 

I think you need to look at the stats a little closer. Delta publishes a breakdown once a month. 50% military. 50% civilian but half of those civilians are former military. Meaning they went to a regional for some period of time. So basically 50% military, 25% military/civilian, 25% flow/OTS. The Compass and Endeavor flows/interviews are part of that 50% civilian. OTS is still difficult at Delta unless you go to certain conferences/volunteer activity.

 

Do you have the most recent email with their hiring stats? The one I have is old and shows exactly 40% pure civilian hired. I don't know of any stats tracking flows vs not flow.

 

It's published monthly as part of the Monthly updates. Can be found on Deltanet. I think the Compass flows are complete so now it's just Endeavor "flowing". They don't break down flows to OTS in the updates. It includes Compass/Endeavor. That's why the numbers are deceiving.

 

I don't feel like I got preferential treatment through the entire process. Took me 12 years just to get the hours and while they don't compare to a heavy guy/gal they were fairly difficult hours. Just my experience / opinion.

 

Sorry, I know it's easy to mix up the terminology.

But the Pinndeavor SSP is NOT a flow, just a pref interview. Although once they got though the senior guys that really wouldn't have had a chance anyway, the acceptance rate has gone up considerably it seems.

But yes, they do have a certain amount of allocated slots. But STILL have to do day 1 ONLY of the interview process.

So they're kind of between a "flow" and an OTS in that regard.

Whereas, the initial numbers at AA for 2016 were something like 750-800 training positions that need to be filled. Roughly 500-ISH are expected to be taken up with what's left of the furlough hold outs before their drop dead date combined with the ACTUAL FLOWS from the regional partners.

So it was roughly ~250-300ISH OTS at AA this year.

If we were to take a "SWAG" at a 50/50 split of mil civ ratio, that would be about 125-150 lucky, no poop, civilian OTS hires at AA for the year.

The amount of training slots/furloughs/flows are simply based on what AA published late last year or early this year. I believe someone posted the letter sent out in one of the AA hiring threads. And it had the standard "AA has 15000 apps on file with 12000 internal recs" or whatever.

We ALL KNOW those numbers could change.

The SWAG was, well, just a SWAG. Could skew either direction on the mil/civ split of OTS at AA.

 

I didn't think I had to go into so much detail. I thought by putting "flow" in quotation marks people would understand. Maybe I should have mentioned Mesaba as well. Sorry.

 

In response to the Bernie Sanders "fair shot" nonsense, that's not at all what I said or what I implied. But I realize this is an election year and people tend to lose their chit over everything and anything. I'm not a millennial blaming others, it is what it is.

But what "it" is is quite simply, American Airlines has practically shut the door on guys who are not a flow and who do not have a military pedigree. Plain and simple. Yes, a trickle of straight civilian pilots make the cut. Again. A trickle. It was brought up in a different thread on this board that AA plans on hiring about 200 OTS guys this year, whereas Delta was planning the same number in two months.

I know dozens of guys here at Spirit who meet and exceed ALL of the requirements, who have thousands of hours of safe, non-eventful flying in their logbooks, thousands of hours of PIC time, who would kill for a chance at AA, yet can't even get an invite to interview, while low-time military pilots are getting scooped up by the dozens.

If that's not the definition of "fair shot" then I have no idea what is.

If you're a non-military non-flow pilot your chances of getting on to any of the three Legacies, based on tons and tons of anecdotal evidence on this board as well as various Facebook groups, seems to be as follows:

AA- Not impossible, but sharing the same zip code.
Delta- Somewhat easier.
United- Best chance of getting a call for an interview.