"Street Hire" Civilian Stats @ Big 3
02-29-2016 | 09:14 AM
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But for some reason, people STILL think there's a flow. People are also under the impression that Pinndeavor is a flow. Especially when they read it on places like here, PPW, or whatever else.
02-29-2016 | 09:16 AM
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In response to the Bernie Sanders "fair shot" nonsense, that's not at all what I said or what I implied. But I realize this is an election year and people tend to lose their chit over everything and anything. I'm not a millennial blaming others, it is what it is.
But what "it" is is quite simply, American Airlines has practically shut the door on guys who are not a flow and who do not have a military pedigree. Plain and simple.
I know dozens of guys here at Spirit who meet and exceed ALL of the requirements, who have thousands of hours of safe, non-eventful flying in their logbooks, thousands of hours of PIC time, who would kill for a chance at AA, yet can't even get an invite to interview, while low-time military pilots are getting scooped up by the dozens.
If that's not the definition of "fair shot" then I have no idea what is.
If you're a non-military non-flow pilot your chances of getting on to any of the three Legacies, based on tons and tons of anecdotal evidence on this board as well as various Facebook groups, seems to be as follows:
AA- Not impossible, but sharing the same zip code.
Delta- Somewhat easier.
United- Best chance of getting a call for an interview.
But what "it" is is quite simply, American Airlines has practically shut the door on guys who are not a flow and who do not have a military pedigree. Plain and simple.
I know dozens of guys here at Spirit who meet and exceed ALL of the requirements, who have thousands of hours of safe, non-eventful flying in their logbooks, thousands of hours of PIC time, who would kill for a chance at AA, yet can't even get an invite to interview, while low-time military pilots are getting scooped up by the dozens.
If that's not the definition of "fair shot" then I have no idea what is.
If you're a non-military non-flow pilot your chances of getting on to any of the three Legacies, based on tons and tons of anecdotal evidence on this board as well as various Facebook groups, seems to be as follows:
AA- Not impossible, but sharing the same zip code.
Delta- Somewhat easier.
United- Best chance of getting a call for an interview.
I also would like an answer to what your longest training contract was during your career.
02-29-2016 | 09:42 AM
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02-29-2016 | 09:43 AM
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With dozens of threads addressing this I still don't understand why this keeps coming up. Yes, it appears that AA is snatching up low time (in your eyes) FIGHTER guys. Maybe you've missed it the dozens of times this has been brought up before, not all hours are created equal. These are some of the largest corporations in the world, are you saying they don't know how to hire the best employees? Guess your F'd now that United just opened up a flow with XJT.
I also would like an answer to what your longest training contract was during your career.
I also would like an answer to what your longest training contract was during your career.
My longest training contract? 4 years, courtesy of Uncle Sam. Now tell me what that has to do with anything relevant in this thread?
No, seriously. What's your angle? We haven't "paid our dues" or some other nonsense?
02-29-2016 | 09:57 AM
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I sense you're an angry bitter person. Maybe try running. Helps clear your head.
My longest training contract? 4 years, courtesy of Uncle Sam. Now tell me what that has to do with anything relevant in this thread?
No, seriously. What's your angle? We haven't "paid our dues" or some other nonsense?
My longest training contract? 4 years, courtesy of Uncle Sam. Now tell me what that has to do with anything relevant in this thread?
No, seriously. What's your angle? We haven't "paid our dues" or some other nonsense?
My angle is just because mil guys are getting hired with less hours than what YOU deem worthy doesn't make them less qualified. Of mine and every other guys resume I've seen, the hours section takes up about 10% or less of space. In any interview the time spent discussing hours is about 3 minutes. See a trend? But if you want to keep focusing on hours, go for it. I've paid my dues and do not need to justify it to anyone as long as a hiring department agrees. The only guys I've seen ***** about paying dues are civilian guys. Funny how that is. Good luck in your search for why someone got what you and your friends deserved.
02-29-2016 | 10:32 AM
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And what it is is that American has largely decided to ignore the immense pool of highly qualified candidates out there and focus instead on a different pool of candidates entirely. And while I'm sure that 2000 hours of flying CAP missions over Durka-Durkistan directly relates to skills and abilities in the 121 world, I'm equally certain that 5000, 7500 or 10,000 hours of flying an Airbus or Boieng incident free into LGA or ORD would also translate well into a well-rounded candidate.
And that's perfectly fine. Again. It is what it is, and nobody here is angry or bitter or seeking blame for percieved shortcomings. Everyone knows you zoomies are the best of the best of the best of the best (of the best), and you said it yourself; these large corporations, they certainly know how to hire the best (of the best) employees.
The OP asked a question. I provided an answer. You took offense to it. And you still didn't answer my question.
02-29-2016 | 10:33 AM
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The whole system is designed to reinforce their filthy addiction to cheap regional labor. They will hire as many military pilots as possible in the time of pilot shortage, because this forces civilian pilots to flow through their regional feed in order to make it to the mainline. That's the whole point of them offering increased flow-through programs to their regional airlines in exchange for decade-long contracts that maintain indentured-servitude wages with 1% yearly raises. If there was no pilot shortage, they wouldn't be hiring military pilots either, except at the regional airlines. They will be cold and dead before they give up on this dream for themselves and their shareholders.
The whole debate about whether they prefer a healthy mix of experience, etc. is irrelevant.
The whole debate about whether they prefer a healthy mix of experience, etc. is irrelevant.
02-29-2016 | 10:55 AM
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The whole system is designed to reinforce their filthy addiction to cheap regional labor. They will hire as many military pilots as possible in the time of pilot shortage, because this forces civilian pilots to flow through their regional feed in order to make it to the mainline. That's the whole point of them offering increased flow-through programs to their regional airlines in exchange for decade-long contracts that maintain indentured-servitude wages with 1% yearly raises. If there was no pilot shortage, they wouldn't be hiring military pilots either, except at the regional airlines. They will be cold and dead before they give up on this dream for themselves and their shareholders.
The whole debate about whether they prefer a healthy mix of experience, etc. is irrelevant.
The whole debate about whether they prefer a healthy mix of experience, etc. is irrelevant.
02-29-2016 | 11:18 AM
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As it was explained to me, and as I read the details I was sent, and in the words of an acquaintance, "it's simply a guaranty to initiate the selection process". Which is the same process as an OTS, with some additional caveats internal to XJT
As in, if a candidate's profile isn't acceptable to UAL based on a bunch of vague non descript criteria, they don't even get to initiate the process. If one does meet the criteria, but doesn't get through the HPI, they don't get the interview, which ISN'T guaranteed in the first place. JUST LIKE AN OTS picked out of the stack.
Now, compare that to the Pinndeavor/DAL SSP program, that ACTUALLY DOES guaranty an interview. As well as waive a tad bit of criteria that would/could exclude a pure plucked out of the stack PURE OTS non pref interview candidate.
There are a few prolific examples.
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